From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 09:44:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFFE106564A for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruben@verweg.com) Received: from erg.verweg.com (erg.verweg.com [217.77.141.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E158FC12 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ruben@verweg.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verweg.com; s=verweg; t=1213004078; bh=/SLjpUOhSU9WjwyGAPBVft090NcJjPyaimEL1gNGYjk=; h=Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References: X-Mailer; b=Zmfxyot8WhvWUBUo0h94S185MMmsncoi2sTsAvCbIHKKYOKmAX3NNN pTMY/bVJeBOm61oLIFIfcsiBOBUJdTTHjN2++yQiBnKjFQFsXQd5lVQdM4BUMORJXwR TwrFD6MVU6hqoHJ/tuyDAxjT+1NTPOS3DJgSvcfQv/QnLCnFws= Received: from [IPv6:::1] (chimp.ripe.net [193.0.1.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.verweg.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m599YWWv013961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:34:38 GMT (envelope-from ruben@verweg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: erg.verweg.com: Host chimp.ripe.net [193.0.1.199] claimed to be [IPv6:::1] Message-Id: <07D0EBB8-77B3-4593-85C5-A38E94DD0DDD@verweg.com> From: Ruben van Staveren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200806072254.43405.max@love2party.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:34:26 +0200 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <200806072254.43405.max@love2party.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/6805/Wed Apr 16 19:57:54 2008 on erg.verweg.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (erg.verweg.com [217.77.141.129]); Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:44:55 -0000 On 7 Jun 2008, at 22:54, Max Laier wrote: > Here is a cluebat for you: Here is another one: Currently 176 messages, posted by 51 unique participants (25 % by Jo himself) Given the fact that at least these 51 persons are actually reading all the mails, and taking some 5 minutes for it you'll see that this thread already consumed a whole man month worth of time. The amount of passive readers might stretch up to a good portion of the subscriber base. I probably do not have to mention this time was better spent on other things. So far I have seen nothing else than the community at large addressing FUD of one poster, which was a genuine remark when it started, but became irrational as there was no room for compromise. I started with RELENG_7 when it was 4 days of age, and impressed by the stability from the start. Yet still we going to get our production servers up to 6.3 and go for 7.1 instead as we make use (by design) of MyISAM tables in MySQL, though I do believe I saw a fix in cvs for the issue mentioned here: http://jeffr-tech.livejournal.com/20425.html Overall, the days of RELENG_4 and RELENG_5 are over and the 15 years or so of cvs history contributes to the quality of development inside the FreeBSD project, which I was using since 2.2.4-stable. Thanks! - Ruben