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On 26 May 2008, at 00:34, Bruce M. Simpson wrote:

> Tony Finch wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008, Bruce M. Simpson wrote:
>>
>>> ATM shows no signs of going away as a WAN access technology for  
>>> people in the
>>> UK, although its use in the core outside of British Telecom is  
>>> being eroded by
>>> newer technologies.
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't BT's 21cn mean the death of ATM there too?
>>
>
> The G.998.1 part of ADSL2+ still mandates ATM as the transport.  
> Given how BT tend to roll things it out I would speculate that they  
> are still using ATM after 21CN migration, although I have no data to  
> confirm this either way.
>
> PPPoA is not going away any time soon -- it's written into the ITU  
> specs for G.DMT-lite after all -- and there is a huge installed user  
> base for that technology.
>
> Whatever happens with 21CN is still going to take time to filter  
> down to the rest of the populace. Also, someone's going to have to  
> pay for it somehow.
>
> Of course the whole ruckus over ATM in ADSL with people in the first  
> place, was that it locked them into using vendor gear, effectively  
> denying people control over their own IP endpoint address, and  
> restricting the services they can use as a result.

I recently was able to reclaim my IP endpoint address(es) using a  
cheap Netgear DM111P in PPPoE to PPPoA bridge mode. Works very nicely...