From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 13:29:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA3FD6D for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6A924 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk (c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r1BDTCIK085032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:16 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: 7+ days of dogfood From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <20130211114811.09e56b55@fabiankeil.de> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:12 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17E009FB-23FA-4E04-8437-DE81033164DE@FreeBSD.org> References: <20130210000723.GA73630@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20130211114811.09e56b55@fabiankeil.de> To: Fabian Keil X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, Steve Kargl X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:29:26 -0000 On 11 Feb 2013, at 10:48, Fabian Keil = wrote: > It's unfortunate that the builworld time roughly trippled since > 2010 but I guess that's progress and a more powerful system > should fix it. I certainly welcome clang in general, though. In that case, it's worth noting that you can shave a fair bit off the = build time by not building gcc. WITHOUT_GCC=3Dyes in src.conf is = worthwhile. WITHOUT_GDB=3Dyes is probably also sensible, as the gdb in = base is so old that it doesn't understand most of the DWARF that clang = uses. We should have lldb ready for import in a few months, but until = then using gdb from ports is more sensible if you plan on actually doing = any debugging. As we transition to a GPL-free base system, we're going to have some = fairly long windows where we have the old GNU tool and its replacement = both in base. Over time, the old ones will be removed, but not until = the newer ones are well tested. This, of course, happens faster if = people are running systems where they are the only option... David