From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 04:14:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B04110A4CDF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920D87F177 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from unknown (HELO leader.local) ([118.211.28.199]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2018 13:44:23 +0930 Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: Alejandro Imass , FreeBSD Questions References: From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:44:20 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:31 -0000 On 12/9/18 4:40 am, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > things. Good tech guys who know what to do don't use enough new fancy tech. It's all about the buzzwords, the more your product uses the more money you get to build it. The more layers, the more complex, the more people dumb CEOs need to pay to setup and maintain it, but it has to be using the newest, flashiest tech. If you have used the stuff before you need to go and make a new one or two for the next project. One good guy can't support an enterprise, it needs to be a group of dimwits that band together and cover each others f*ups to support an enterprise. I recall the Y2K bug, a well known telco employed about 80 people to walk around to every desktop computer and manually run some script off a server that checked installed programs and updated each one. Well this telco has software installed on every desktop that allowed one person to access every machine in the country, show reports of software and versions installed, install, update or remotely control the GUI desktop. The team I was on completed our two months work the first week, so we got to use this to manually do the stupid steps on machines in other states, after someone there had walked around to turn machines on. It was all about one guy coming up with something that sounded complex enough that the CEO can't understand but had enough buzzwords and parts that it must be the solution to this dreaded Y2K problem. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler