From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 26 23:27:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA44516A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:27:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0F143D39 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:27:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5QNRHr2003950 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:27:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: current@FreeBSD.org From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:12:21 PDT." <20040626231221.GA11573@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:27:17 +0200 Message-ID: <3949.1088292437@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: HEADSUP: ibcs2 and svr4 compat headed for history X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:27:43 -0000 In message <20040626231221.GA11573@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" writes: >On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 12:08:36PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <20040626100116.GK7457@wantadilla.lemis.com>, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" >> writes: >> >> >Has this been approved of by the core team or any other official organ >> >of the project? >> >> I got a "good riddance" from re@ (scottl) > >That isn't sufficient. Please run thru the TRB or Core also. >The two of you cannot unilaterally decide to axe large subsystems. Why do you think that a HEADSUP was sent to current@ David ? Presumably you belive I did that to try to sneak this decision past your highly sentitive nose, the bulk of the committers, our most active users, the core team, the TRB, UN peace-keeping forces, and Lloyds Register ? Or could it be, just by chance, that I recognized that nobody on core (or the TRB) would have enough information to answer the very simple question: "Is there a significant use of these bits which we are currently unaware off ?", and therefore decided to poll a larger audience ? (If you answer this correctly David, you win a little yellow rubber mat you can stomp on next time you get upset about somebody not "following procedures") >From what I have heard so far, there is not enough committer interest and drive to keep these bits functional for another 5 years lifetime on 5-STABLE. The fact that you have gotten the warning COMPAT_SVR4 is broken and should be avoided since August 2002 is testimony to this state of affairs. If somebody wants to pull the bits into a port and maintain it there I have absolutely no problems with them doing that. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.