From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 5 14:37:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 547B937B417 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 77006 invoked by uid 100); 5 Apr 2002 22:37:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15534.10005.180052.438521@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:37:09 -0600 To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: Questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Ceri Subject: Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy In-Reply-To: <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> References: <20020405074448067.AAA353@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > On 5 Apr 2002, at 11:10, Ceri boldly uttered: > > To clarify the situation : > > To subscribe to a list requires confirmation. > > To post to a list does not, nor do you need to be subscribed. > > I don't remember a time when this was any different (but then I've only > > been subscribed for 18 months or so). > Ah.. I overlooked an "assymetrical" scenario. > > I have to say, I don't think I can ever recall a single email list > outside of these that had such a setup - where it required a > subscription to read but allowed anyone to post. It's really quite > bizarre to me - how are these people supposed to read the responses > to their questions if they don't subscribe?? Most of the lists I'm on - even discounting the freebsd one - do that. On the other hand, most of them have also moved from being completely open to requiring confirmation to subscribe because of the problem of malicious subscriptions. A few have recently moved from that to an intermediate position, which I really like. All subscribers can post. If you aren't a subscriber, you have to confirm that the post isn't spam before it's accepted. I'd love to see freebsd move to such a system for everything but -questions. > I notice a lot of people are cc'ing the original poster in their > responses, but that is not just a hassle when replying, it's also a > courtesy that I'd hate to have to rely on if I had a problem I was > trying to solve. Freebsd-questions is, and always will be, an unusual mail list. > I stand by my contention that allowing anyone to post is just an > invitation to spamming the list. (or an invitation to draconian anti- > spam filters to mitigate the spam, with the result that innocent > users get their traffic bounced) In that case, there are a lot of lists that invite anyone to spam the list. But they don't get as much spam as the freebsd lists. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message