From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 5 11:05:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D1A2E1E6D for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (dontpanic.foucry.net [80.67.176.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49GcM035t3z3Hwc for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 11:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.foucry.net (mithril.foucry.net [127.0.0.1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F89718970; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:04:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 13:04:51 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Brother HL-L2340D printer and lpd? Message-ID: <20200505110451.GA81209@mithril.foucry.net> Mail-Followup-To: Steve O'Hara-Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200503171259.GA48627@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200503192444.2d700440.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200503185521.GB52059@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200504085053.9bcf8d9d.freebsd@edvax.de> <9992c5ca-fdac-7a62-b0e4-d33afaeb042d@panix.com> <20200505095657.b436931b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200505054729.00000035@seibercom.net> <20200505112501.cd4d6226a1edd5b4290e2b11@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200505112501.cd4d6226a1edd5b4290e2b11@sohara.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49GcM035t3z3Hwc X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=foucry.net (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[foucry.net : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[mithril.localdomain]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[mithril.localdomain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-1.01)[ipnet: 80.67.160.0/19(-2.81), asn: 20766(-2.22), country: FR(-0.00)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20766, ipnet:80.67.160.0/19, country:FR]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:05:02 -0000 Le mardi 05 mai 2020 à 11:25:01 (+0100), Steve O'Hara-Smith à écrit: > On Tue, 5 May 2020 05:47:29 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > In any case, this will only assist you with printing. All of the other > > functions that are readily available on a Windows machine are usually > > cloaked away from FreeBSD operators. Brother does supply some utilities > > for Linux and Debian, but not FreeBSD. > > Right here you describe the crux of the problem - Windows does not > support a million printers and scanners perfectly, manufacturers go to great > lengths to support Windows, some lengths to support IOS and Android, lesser > lengths to support Linux desktops and generally no effort whatsoever to > support anything else. > > This is of course a perfectly valid commercial standpoint. > > The sad truth is that if you use something that the printer > manufacturers are not willing to go to great lengths to support then you > are best looking to more expensive equipment that supports documented > standards and using it, or doing what I do to support a Brother inkjet and > run a CUPS server under Linux (well actually a jail with a Linux userland) > and CUPS clients on the FreeBSD boxes. > > Yes it is a pain - but suggesting that the FOSS community has put > insufficient effort into achieving the impossible is not reasonable. If the > market is too small to be worthwhile for the manufacturers to support and > they are unwilling to release detailed documentation then nobody can do > anything about it. In fact the "Linux community" reproduice de same errors as the "windwos commutiy" does. We (the FreeBSD users) are, as you saird a very small part of unix user. And many, many people knows "Linux" but does not إave a single idea about "Unix". Worst, some knows "debian" and that all, they cannot use another distro so let imagine using another Unix like system (*BSD, Solaris, AІX, HP-UX or even OSX). That the same for manufæcturer, they are mainћtream, Microsoft's products first, then Apple's products, may be Linux product… and that all. > > The seamless environment for printing, scanning, faxing and email > integration can be achieved but it is not effortless. -- Jacques Foucry