From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Apr 10 7:51:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DC137BA8B for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02164 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:45:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA05173 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:45:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F030237B66D; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01141; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38F1E8E5.932C9E26@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:44:53 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Oppermann Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Bob Bishop , obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh References: <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> <4.3.1.2.20000407094800.00ac2970@gid.co.uk> <20000409145013.O1996@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <38F0D94A.D30F8D6@pipeline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andre Oppermann wrote: > > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > > -On [20000407 12:05], Bob Bishop (rb@gid.co.uk) wrote: > > > > > >At 13:49 06/04/00 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > >>I'm going to be importing tcsh into src/contrib/ and replacing /bin/csh > > >>with tcsh. [etc] > > > > > >On principle, please don't do it. I'd go so far as to vote for having > > >/bin/sh as root's default shell. If people want to use whacky shells and > > >set fire to their ass they are free to do so, but I seriously doubt the > > >wisdom of encouraging them. > > > > I agree with your statement. > -snip- > > To substantiate: > -snip- > > - Embedded Systems. > > Effectively, embedded systems are pretty customised because > > they need to be small in size as well as be functional. This > > idea would support the argument of retiring csh to the ports > > system and just have sh as the only shell in the base system. > > That opens the way for easily customising the sources by using > > the ports or just using /bin/sh since it is fast, small and > > reliable. > > I've seen this argument more than one time in this discussion but it > is void. Nobody is going to install the base FreeBSD distribution on > an embedded system. This mean he/she has to walk through the tree > anyway to cut out all unneeded binaries (ie. atm*, isdn*, etc.). But *my* embedded systems need all those, it just doesn't need tcsh. I do agree with Andre, though, and no longer pose any objection to replacing csh with tcsh, as long as csh is moved to a port. I don't even care if it is that carefully maintained; if it breaks and I need it, I can fix it. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message