From owner-freebsd-bugs Sat May 13 19:35:44 1995 Return-Path: bugs-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA19853 for bugs-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 1995 19:35:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA19830 for ; Sat, 13 May 1995 19:35:38 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA01401; Sat, 13 May 1995 19:34:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505140234.TAA01401@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: bin/396: telnetd problems fix. To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 19:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505140230.TAA01363@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 13, 95 10:31:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1702 Sender: bugs-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >This is fixable by disabling -DLINEMODE for telnetd, this also seems to make > > >things feel more responsive. While it was pointed out that this will make > > >slower links (ppp) work slower, most folks using ppp are going to be doing s > > >with software that could be breaking on this, making the system unusable. I > > >would strongly suggest we disable -DLINEMODE as the default for the system. > > >Working slow is better than not working fast. We should do this for 2.0.5. > > > > I disagree, and we have been down this road at least 4 times in the > > last 2 years with FreeBSD. The bug is not in the FreeBSD code, it should > > not be bandaided to work with code that gets option negotiation wrong. > > > > I don't like to fix bugs in other software by making FreeBSD slower at > > *anything*. Go get NCSA and FTP software to fix there very ancient > > and broken code, they have had 2 years to do this, and still have not. > > The problem is when users have to interact with FreeBSD boxes they bitch that > FreeBSD is broken, "afterall it works with Linnnuxxx". This is not good. Has > anyone actually done any real tests to see if its lots faster? I work on ppp > quite frequently and my system doesnt support LINEMODE and it doesnt feel bad > at all. Could you go do just the change that Terry Lambert suggested, test it out for me and tell me if it fixes the problem. If it does we can send it out for wide code review and commit it! No loss of LINEMODE, and no more problem from broken 4.2BSD detection clients. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD