From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 26 20:49:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D44637B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B003A6AB08; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:44:01 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:44:01 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Stephen McKay , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror))) Message-ID: <20011024114401.D28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011021172133.04293620@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011020213927.048a1780@localhost> <1003617187.3bd1fba3d31ff@webmail.neomedia.it> <1003617187.3bd1fba3d31ff@webmail.neomedia.it> <4.3.2.7.2.20011020213927.048a1780@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011021172133.04293620@localhost> <200110231322.f9NDMTf21954@dungeon.home> <4.3.2.7.2.20011023103803.04978a90@localhost> <20011024093452.B28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011023200438.04daac60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011023200438.04daac60@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:08:38PM -0600 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 23 October 2001 at 20:08:38 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:04 PM 10/23/2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> However, when met with deadly force while attempting to apprehend >>> criminals, the government does have the right to respond with deadly >>> force. >> >> Ah. Where does that right come from? In the constitution? > > The constitutions (or equivalent documents) of all democratic > governments accord them the right to keep the peace and apprehend > criminals. And rightly so. Correct, but this has nothing to do with apprehension. >> Are there laws in place which define when this right applies, and >> what "deadly force" means? > > In every democracy of which I am aware. In the democracies of which I'm aware, there is a due course of justice. It doesn't involve invading places and shooting first. >> Does "attempting to apprehend criminals" include driving tanks into >> towns and firing at random? > > No. And the Israelis are not doing that. It looks very much like it to me. What am I missing? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message