From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 18 22:13:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DCE1065672; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541688FC1B; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id o8IMDNtr026215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id o8IMDNbH026214; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA15753; Sat, 18 Sep 10 15:09:25 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:09:19 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: kientzle@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4c95388f.vSPICvvA6A5bgvDR%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20100829201050.GA60715@stack.nl> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ar(1) format_decimal failure is fatal? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:13:24 -0000 Tim Kientzle wrote: > Personally, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to just always > force the timestamp, uid, and gid to zero .. uid and gid, OK. Timestamp, no. It is not that rare to need to find out which version of some .o is in a particular .a file, usually in connection with debugging some obscure failure. For that matter, aren't there some versions of make(1) that can check whether an archive member is up to date by examining the timestamp in the archive?