From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 02:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8883516A4CE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-2.mdc.net (smtp-2.mdc.net [209.251.64.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1677543D1F for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:57:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matthew@netway.com) Received: from admin1.mdc.net (admin1.mdc.net [209.251.64.23]) by smtp-2.mdc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA99079; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:57:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matthew@netway.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: matthew X-X-Sender: matthew@admin1.mdc.net To: "Paul A. Hoadley" In-Reply-To: <20040216101801.GB58487@grover.logicsquad.net> Message-ID: <20040216055328.W1531@admin1.mdc.net> References: <20040216091316.98506.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> <20040216043701.C95778@admin1.mdc.net> <20040216101801.GB58487@grover.logicsquad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:57:42 -0000 On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Paul A. Hoadley wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 04:44:25AM -0500, matthew wrote: > > > > I recommend bogofilter for per-user filtering. Spamassassin is > > > also highly recommended for site use. I tend to dislike DNS-based > > > filtering because it has a high rate of false positives, and it > > > causes your users to lose legitimate mail if it's rejected at the > > > mail server. > > > > As far as I understand it, one does "not lose email" using dns-based > > blacklists. > > Sure you can. If Alice wants to legitimately contact Bob from a > blacklisted IP (whether the blacklisting is actually Alice's fault, or > she's just fallen under an excessively large blanket), and Bob is > running DNS-based filtering, Bob's MTA blocks Alice based on her IP. > Bob loses legitimate mail. We have different opinions on what it means to lose email. An email is lost when no error message is returned to the sender and the email never gets to its intended recipient. Your example, if you play it out further, Alice will be well aware her message did not get delivered. She sent that email from a real mta. That mta records the error mesg Bob's dns-blacklist using email server spit out. You know what i mean, same thing goes with a user unknown. So Alice knows the email was not lost. She is now aware of why, hence the http://url in the error mesg. And now Alice can contact her admin, and figure out why that ip/block is spewing spam at me/us/blacklist users. So in summary, dns blacklists do not "lose" email. The email was never sent by Alice's email server and she is aware why. m > Admittedly you provided a counterexample, > but it is not always so easy. > > > -- > Paul. > > mailto:paulh@logicsquad.net > mailto:phoadley@maths.adelaide.edu.au > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >