From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 22:03:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57E16A527 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:03:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7CB43D4C for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:03:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Freebsd0101@aol.com) Received: from Freebsd0101@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.bd.4f339c74 (17377); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: Freebsd0101@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:03:24 EST To: cswiger@mac.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thank you! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:03:34 -0000 In a message dated 1/14/05 1:46:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, cswiger@mac.com writes: On Jan 14, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Freebsd0101@aol.com wrote: >> The entire point of this extended discussion, for those who have paid >> attention, is that FreeBSD 4.x, which is admittedly the fastest version >> available, DOES NOT work with intel's fastest CPUs because it doesnt >> support the necessary chipsets, > >Let's pretend for a second that what you've claimed here is completely >accurate rather than exaggerated for rhetorical purposes. > >What are you doing to help, TM4321@aol, or whatever your new handle for >today is? ------- We don't have to "pretend", because Robert Watson, has outlined the issues with 5.x networking on this list, and he is in a position to know. The continued "what are you doing" is part of the problem. Its not reasonable to expect end users to support the OS as the chipset level. Thats why there is a core team. Tasks involving the inner guts of the O/S are beyond the capabilities of even the most talented of programmers without a significant learning curve. Its the kind of answer given by people with no answers. FreeBSD often uses its "centralized" decision making structure as the reason that they are superior. Yet when something doesn't work its someone else's problem. That, in a nutshell, is the problem. They beat their chests when applauded and point fingers when criticized.