From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 11 01:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6689416A401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67C13C4A5 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1.internal (unknown [10.202.2.149]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBB71A9E4F; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by out1.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:31:46 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: cMAG2pK7QZzLc3IkyiF2cKGiVGcJ+Vv1vuRj3SUjCMCi 1171157506 Received: from [192.168.123.18] (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728BD15B5C; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:31:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45CE7201.5080505@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:31:45 +0000 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JoaoBR References: <5fbf03c20702021132y5f931f5esdeab22d0048fa5a6@mail.gmail.com> <45C9A73C.1020409@gmail.com> <5fbf03c20702101108p686ed116n90fbdf26308f0e55@mail.gmail.com> <200702102100.11768.joao@matik.com.br> In-Reply-To: <200702102100.11768.joao@matik.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: spil.oss@gmail.com, Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with IPv6-less kernel and world X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:31:48 -0000 Hello, I'm afraid I disagree with a few of the points you raise. JoaoBR wrote: > > even if ipv6 is a real situation it is not the standard, ipv4 is, then, even > if ipv6 is some network's standard it is not a global standard, ipv4 is > > certainly then, it makes no sense that ipv6 is the default, neither for > applications nor for the kernel > Actually, it makes perfect sense that IPv6 is enabled in GENERIC when one considers that the world as a whole is gradually moving towards it, and especially so when FreeBSD's direct competitors in the operating systems space are doing the same. > also certain then is that ipv6 is an ADDITIONAL option and who wants it, needs > to enable it, either for applications as for the kernel, not the inverse > situation as today > Again, I strongly disagree with this point, see above. > but this is not only a FBSD wiredness but a general confusion ... > but so far as it matters to FBSD it is funny how many core/OS parts simply > ignore NO_INET6 even if set ... > What is regrettable is that there has been a blurring of boundaries as you describe, from an architect's point of view. However, pointing it out in an email like this does nothing to change or improve the situation. Surely it would be more constructive for all to point out exactly where the INET vs INET6 creep is emerging, catalogue it, and proactively communicate it to the people involved, or better still, submit patches and collaborate on fixing the issue? Just a thought. Best regards, BMS