From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 12:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E146716A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66F143FB1; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1857 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pYDT-0001SY-5S; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:55 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:00:44 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N45FVD; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:59:58 -0700 From: Johnson David To: rama@ukfsn.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19pYDT-0001SY-5S*oPR1Q95U4Ew* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:02:02 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:44 am, Ramanan Selvaratnam wrote: > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. > > Versus. > > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in > ten minutes? To be fair, I didn't install KDE or GNOME at that time. But I did install XFree86 and Windowmaker. This is still pretty damned fast, so how is it possible? Simple. The system is a 2.8GHz P4, installing from DVD drive onto Serial ATA harddrive (UDMA150). > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system > respecting the user's freedoms. Yes, I forget that. I ran into some major culture shocks when installing and using WinXP. Product activation? License agreements for *drivers*? Some of the "privacy" options while installing Media Player were absolutely bizarre! And don't even get me started on DVD regions. I have absolutely no problems with paying for software. Heck, I'm on a FreeBSD subscription, and it's free beer! But this shareware mentality in Windows land is twisted. Either these guys have delusional ideas about the quality of their software, or they're completely reprobate. David