From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 05:36:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A0116A417 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5F13C447 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so2191794waf.3 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:36:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gINT4k+1+mN+RXkcfwkkUkgaKs56o2JB9a4ZQQNnjgo=; b=hQXTcqDn0IgXvbMWkATJOg989MNA5LE9NxkUU+mWHxC8GU2P1PufYuIWiwigoUHSLQfjkMlLZc1acaTYatPZRJE+ZGmw8pIIo0Z+uT/SwKyaywburJDhZavtiTuTDDLf7hDFh0tXDvrCD7hIoE/ruh1vSA2YTxSLK6nJezc5GM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CSdIbwTJcFUbaqDCQMyZeBMGbdQ32don02d2kncDg7DAGgEF+9Kb1TyuraydTFR490BSzKNg1he11UHCeS+G2NrTnRrwmgcxM8eGcjob1II8fsNvrnTs8al9TcO6Cid3lSvvHCs0EpzpSga97lOLZZ6RVaQS7tcw8V2/HKfuNW8= Received: by 10.114.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr4551820wai.140.1201412188946; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.255.16 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:36:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:36:28 -0800 From: "Kip Macy" To: obrien@freebsd.org, "Kip Macy" , "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" , EchoB , freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080127052601.GE75469@dragon.NUXI.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4797B923.6030400@gmail.com> <86odbbwo02.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4798B651.7000108@samsco.org> <868x2f86pp.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080127052601.GE75469@dragon.NUXI.org> Cc: Subject: Re: XEN and ZFS Status? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:36:30 -0000 On Jan 26, 2008 9:26 PM, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 11:15:47AM -0800, Kip Macy wrote: > > This has been sufficient for quite a few people to get up and running. > > I think Scott's irritation may stem from the fact that reality > > contradicts your statements. > > Funny - from what I've seen on IRC scottl has had quite a bit of trouble > getting it running (saying up to what 6am trying to get it working) and > then having to ask you personally questions on why he couldn't get it > working. > > It also seems from what I've seen much work is still ahead. That > reality really is you have a cool technology demo - but as DES says - Xen > is not supported. Can I file PRs against Xen and expect to have the > reported problem fixed? > > I do like what you're doing - I really do. But I think its a disservice > to users to create an expectation that a mer mortal can get it up and > running from the bits in Perforce without a lot of effort. > Correct. However, "unsupported" is a lowest common denominator response. Particularly given that I have not claimed that it is production ready. It would have been quite reasonable in private communication as it is accurate and if the questioner's only interest is in near-term production use he will know not to pursue it further. However, other people use the list archives seeking information and there are a large number of people out there who don't want to use it in a production environment in the near-term or are more generally interested in the fact that there is work going on. These people can provide useful feedback and bug reports. Continued language lawyering is pedantic at best and going in to histrionics about the possibility of my changing my mail server configuration probably only provides me with entertainment. Both only serve to add further noise to what was at best a faint signal to begin with. Cheers, Kip