From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:49:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5839B106568A for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0BE8FC17 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFnlNx018619; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFnjXt018616; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:49:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87ws7zgl4v.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87my8w6shm.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87octcuklu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87ws7zgl4v.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:49:59 -0000 > But the choice you have in a strictly moderated mailing list is about > the same as the choice my people had in that particular oppressive > regime: leave or stay to fight a hopeless battle. Thinking your way - if someone will come to my home and will do what i do not accept - can i force him to go out? Yes i can. He can do the same in another house where it's accepted. Those who don't agree with the moderation rules will use unmoderated one (this), with all it's (dis)adventages. > That's what bothers me with strict moderation. It hinders the freedom > of expression of people, forcing them to go through unreasonable hoops > whenever their personality is slightly different from the 'permitted' > forms of straight-jacket. You talk about that, but when i hear things like "shut up" it's fine of course? So how you define freedom? Freedom for all EXCEPT someone? You seem to favor rules defined by those who shouts louder. I at first placed thought about leaving that list at all, seeing that rulership of shouting crowd starts to win. Unfortunately to many here i stayed and will stay, because i know that what start at discussion forum WILL end in the product - FreeBSD. The same happened in linux, (not exactly) the same happened with NetBSD, and now there is no usable unix other than FreeBSD. Just please don't joke and say OpenBSD ;) it's not even funny. > This is a lot of text to go through, even in a semi-automated manner. it's not possible to automatize this unfortunately.