From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 27 00:59:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEECB1065675 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:59:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6709B8FC0C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so4654372wyj.13 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gUcPdSbfxelWkicfP9C+QqhmwJ/nossCu/0ahnGu9RM=; b=vgw6FsnEVvdu5JRTY1/GPMcixHEYILOobZ06W1xkZvMzl70Pih0vCjTNQAatA/OSWl 2qDqASTSjdKlPFhXrIEf8znG1rz26e6pJIC9fCk8xXEdPUXNdamioDgEqQ2InTa6+RXg ylMXofVzf98o+WjFK2kDSy1kjDBtJWLt0Sjfg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.36.197 with SMTP id u5mr7835409wbd.36.1317085171079; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.103.33 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201109260053.SAA25795@lariat.net> <201109260927.02540.jhb@freebsd.org> <201109262035.OAA17199@lariat.net> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Benjamin Kaduk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with FreeBSD 9.0-BETA2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:59:32 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass wrote: >>> >>> My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree >>> which contain critical configuration information and are not written in >>> normal use -- e.g. /etc and /boot -- >>> >> The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel, >> since at least 8.x, is installed by default with a vast majority of >> crap. That's all the .symbols, that 99% of FreeBSD users will never >> uses. > > My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take 'makeopti= ons > DEBUG=3D-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one noticed un= til a > couple of releases in, at which point it seemed consistent with POLA to j= ust > keep it there. =A0Unfortunately I am not having much luck digging through= mail > archives trying to confirm that. > I don't remember whether the plan was to turn it off on stable/9 or not. > >> >> Beside that, the auto-partitionner refuses to work on <1G drive, which >> is really ridiculous... >> >> FreeBSD 9.0BETA2 bases + games fit in 310MB, crap taken out. > > Can you even buy a spinning disk less than 50GB these days? > The storage world is not limited to spinning hardware. Take a 512MB CF, put it in a soekris box, and you got an embedded system capable of doing a whole bunch of stuff. Now, FreeBSD may no longer want to target such "niche" usage. > If you have hardware of that nature, you are almost certainly going to wa= nt > to customize other aspects of the system (and if it's an under-provisione= d > system, are you really going to be doing this customization in-place?), a= t > which point removing the extra stuff is minimal extra work. =A0If a devel= oper > has to ask a user to do something (e.g. compile) in order to debug > something, there is a huge hit in the response rate; having the symbols > available in the general case can be helpful. > Then why don't you provide symbols for the whole system, including binaries and libraries ? At least be consistent in your argument... And, yes, I have patches for that. - Arnaud