From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 19 21:09:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBD616A4CE for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:09:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dtd.be (www.dtd.be [217.145.35.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2578343D1F for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:09:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thierry@deval.be) Received: from [192.168.2.128] (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by dtd.be (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2JK4GOo007305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:04:20 +0100 Message-ID: <423C951C.30807@deval.be> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:09:48 +0100 From: Thierry Deval User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050319) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: misc@openbsd.org References: <200503191939.j2JJd57e016167@cvs.openbsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: scottl@samsco.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:09:57 -0000 Charles Swiger wrote: > On Mar 19, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Those controllers will not be supported in OpenBSD 3.7 in May. If >> Adaptec wishes them to be supported in a future release, they had >> better come and make amends. We are sick of supporting the hardware >> of vendors who shit on their customers via us. Maybe they can repair >> this horrid situation enough that we will once again support their >> controllers by the time OpenBSD 3.8 ships in November. > > ...deliberately breaking OpenBSD's support for Adaptec hardware as some > sort of ultimatum is a childish and self-destructive action. I hope the > other OpenBSD committers veto any such action as being counterproductive > and harmful to your users. > > Otherwise, you're likely to discover that most people choose to run an > OS which works with the hardware they have, rather than sticking with > OpenBSD. Well, I have to step up here... As a developer, I totally support Theo's threat to remove support for aac(4). If the hardware cannot be functionally used with all it's features, we cannot tell we support it. Especially when there are still bugs impeding reliability and that we cannot guarantee on improving it because we don't have any supporting documentation. Concerning the driver removal for release, I just did that for FireWire support because I didn't want to lie to our users. As it was unreliable and that it didn't support a minimum set of devices, I preferred removing that unmaintained code... This doesn't mean it will never be supported, but just not now. For aac(4), if we don't get more than distant future promises, why should we tempt our users in buying some hardware that could make them loose fortunes in data because they will not be notified of disk failures ? We don't have to take that responsibility... \\Thierry