From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 5 09:27:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18739 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:27:41 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18727 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:27:29 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01996; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:26:05 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512051726.KAA01996@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ipx on 802.3 To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett A. Wollman) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:26:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9512051629.AA02695@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett A. Wollman" at Dec 5, 95 11:29:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Of the socket on which the ioctl call is being made. Probably have to > > propagate a couple of fields on te dispatch. > > Ummm, the /protocol/ (nb: not address) family of the socket is totally > irrelevant to all of the current ioctls /by design/; now you're > proposing to undo that cleanup? All I'm saying is if he wants to add 802.3, he shouldn't be blackmailed into cleaning up the link code misuse. 802.3 is *so* valuable that it would be worth undoing that cleanup and several others just to get it in. Once in, another cleanup could be done. The hard part on the 802.3 LLC is codifying the state table. I've seen companies buy code from Microsoft and hack COFF objects from MSVC 2.x into something usable by GCC to get an 802.3 before. It's like someone giving you a new horse right after you have shoed your old horse. The beneifits of the new horse outwiegh the costs of the shoes on the old one... it's unreasonable to expect him to shoe the thing because your old horse had shoes. In case Jordan didn't follow that because it wasn't a car analogy, the relevent car analogy involves being given a new white Ford Taurus right after you've painetd your old Dodge Dart red. 8-). 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.