From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:21:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B75A5ED4 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.36]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B4001923 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s2048; t=1433452776; bh=ll0PnHIdzBviJoyi2KfJOLRKs9czpu73GqSRTzpPzEo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=Gfi/i8b4yuylhBCyL8YedW1fxvOLwZE8HneTAuvVMnHc5VFUR9VyKq3PogQR2h7Pax768k/Bvs1FgVZZd8jlKji4sau/H8AtXAkIl+4iwhg1wOoXi+kohugfwXp36xVHUDysxXpz5wjFzXXDHuyXurE1AVo6PDonRBbEAqczBYH+JS4erKYyqvoYj1yi12KeOvpbBejY9hpZ7q/iq5P9X2W0xy2RA7Zc+lAFBxSwigbt81aLt87dtHRxZ1kHsfGjGQ336MAgtdSo9Vh/Q1O7+ui+BJXi9HSDa+rAYIH/YeCJte5mazvnp36G9JGM9wmy03NjUYOUyXEUYCIB7eo+RQ== Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2015 21:19:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2015 21:19:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2015 21:19:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 367626.70666.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <367626.70666.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 0zp1SX4VM1lEPqd56b8nB.FPG__Y8SE3Tzv_Bs1t41Quyye M1EeCmHO.8qsaj30ZuNFiLNNWdlzZ8rXMGrUHZOkx4evhZnFaizxAwKHOtjW ApRWdPuuiL_zSYr2cG7IbJbhssWWxJBjVuZNJ.SMl_KYWChn3.Etid6ZT1V5 B1szcobYUr1V5nJeRE5wEB._0EgCm7GMAiz4YkO.3L1a95YkCaJLiUw0ogjZ tbt_I5Gh5n6PPb22ovBObc3qy9swrX6vjjetlTQsfUO3fiSpptFfH2tUMtyp gOHKg3RH4cf3QherIZVPMpDgSBJ5vhDoNheTHmFgGZvE8Wt9ghTb4GUOu9bR 44j.lOlvW.6TLqAgh1xVdx0S3j78X_z9nfQ61tS35_x3lmr4C6sMKYHC1KS. kqbA3Xd07Ny88Ji9IM_U2wFqsPZB_LUGU6VX89ykcd4X_8kPHGHfQnebIqFL EUGSbPZb5.vCgbJ2522l4MuKmtV_9WDOdWDUxdxgqDp0Poe6yBvhD9.Mjkwk g7TOAxtSbbvcg8o_kdGNPziYzn.KhqOwy3NMGYJe07cBO8.rGGwAJrO2_o3w Ph5e9iQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:19:45 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cups, and hplip too, fail to recognize printer when I try to print References: <263570.73680.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4321846.9hHPBs9sCR@desk8.phess.net> <2166876.6zk2LzEg5t@mercury.ph.man.ac.uk> <2323011.3jCvCUZvQ4@desk8.phess.net> <544000.23949.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:21:57 -0000 > The problem has nothing to do with proprietary drivers, etcetera but rather > the extremely fractured system of printing on non MS Windows based systems. I > have had extensive conversations with representatives from Brother and while > they do include PPD's and other assorted files for some of their printers, > they claim it is just not financially feasible to do so for all their > products, ie, scanners, copiers, etcetera due to the multiple platforms that > they would be required to support. They need only support one when working > with MS Windows, If the *nix community would come together and devise one > consistent printing system, they would be inclined to support it. They > informed me that due to the way FreeBSD likes to due things differently than > anyone else, they would never in all likely hood support it directly. This is > not a problem with the manufacturers, it is a fundamental flaw in the way > *nix handles printers, copiers, FAX machines, scanners, etcetera. > You might want to check out this URL: > > Specifically this portion for starters: > PDF is the standard print job format from CUPS 1.6.x on > All important desktop applications (GTK/GNOME, Qt/KDE, > LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird, ...) send print jobs in PDF > and not in PostScript any more by default. In addition, a complete CUPS > filter chain to process print jobs in PDF is available and used. > Carmel I tried running the MS-Windows executable installer in Wine under NetBSD-current i386, but it did nothing at all. Subsequently I tried mousing through Wine Explorer to get an idea of what it was like. It seemed to get bogged down after a short time, long file names were truncated, and it subsequently went into a reboot (crash), file system not cleanly dismounted. So it looks like this wine is unstable; I could try in FreeBSD-current i386 and amd64 after I get that built. But I really think I need to build/install a Linux system. It would be helpful if a laser printer/all-in-one would support a standard print file format/interface, like PDF, instead of having their own proprietary PCL. Then such a printer might work in Linux and BSD even without a specific driver. Or am I wrong? Then printing would work even without a specific driver, even from Haiku. I looked at the web link, had to remove < at the beginning and > at the end to make it work. Yes, Unix/quasi-Unix is an anarchy regarding printing interface. HP provided hplip, which can be seen either as an indication that they are helpful to Linux, or as a red flag that their printer interfaces are proprietary and that only their software will work. So now I view hplip as a red flag and intend not to buy anything further from HP, printer or otherwise. Tom