From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sat Feb 20 21:55:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D98AAFC18; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from isoa@kapsi.fi) Received: from mail.kapsi.fi (mx1.kapsi.fi [IPv6:2001:1bc8:1004::1:25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A69641843; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from isoa@kapsi.fi) Received: from karviainen.kapsi.fi ([217.30.184.182] helo=roundcube.kapsi.fi) by mail.kapsi.fi with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1aXFUg-0006x6-J2; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 23:55:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 23:55:14 +0200 From: Arto Pekkanen To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Cc: owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20160218172523.GA14853@becker.bs.l> References: <20160217230329.GA6120@becker.bs.l> <20160218114257.45676z5546j0j8z5@webmail.uu.se> <20160218172523.GA14853@becker.bs.l> Message-ID: X-Sender: isoa@kapsi.fi User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.9.4 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.30.184.182 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: isoa@kapsi.fi X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: Re: What are the criteria for contributing to development and testing? X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.kapsi.fi) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:55:17 -0000 Bertram Scharpf kirjoitti 18.02.2016 19:25: >> You can read the various documents found at >> https://www.freebsd.org/docs/books.html for some >> information and introduction, but beyond that you are >> pretty much on your own as far as I can tell. > > This is exactly what I meant. They point you to a web page > that you can easily find by Google or that you have already > found, and that is generic enough to involve you for hours > before you dare to ask another question. Q.E.D. > >> If you are waiting for someone to hold your hand and guide >> you while you get up to speed with FreeBSD development, >> then you may have to wait a very long time. > > That's the last straw. If nothing else helps to get rid of > you, they become insulting and tell you how lazy, dumb, or > both you are. Hell, you need a heck of patience to cope with > those characters. > > Bertram Hey, hey ... easy dude. He meant no offense. This is a fact; there are only a few developers working on this project, and they have to balance their schedule with their real lives. This is why it will take longer for them to provide newcomers better resources. And yes, this means that if you want to get started at any specific moment, you will have to do a lot of the research yourself while waiting for a response. This applies to many areas of FreeBSD development, both kernel and userland projects. If you have a laptop that does not work with the driver, and you manage to get it working, the development team will definitely look at merging your changes. Of course, if your code differs greatly form the already established code base, you can expect that it will be more work to merge in your contribution. -- Arto Pekkanen