From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 4 18:36:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C8D37B401 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E833A43ED1 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14976; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:36:16 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104193110.0285a570@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:36:14 -0700 To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. Cc: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen), Mike Jeays , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104145840.02925620@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <200212312041.gBVKfr183480@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104112015.026a5530@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104145840.02925620@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:27 PM 1/4/2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >> "Crack?" > >As in "wise-crack", not the kind you're thinking of. I couldn't think of any meaning of "crack" that applied. >> The Trojan Horse looked like a gift too. > >And if the giftees knew where to find and kill the bad guys, it >would have been a great gift -- the children could play in it. Well, we know where to find the bad in GPLed code: in the license. Unfortunately, the only legal way to un-GNU it is to re-implement from scratch or do clean room reverse engineering. We can't take the law into our own hands and kill the bad guys. (Too messy. ;-) >> In other words, "Slavery is freedom?" This sounds a bit like RMS's >> rhetoric. ;-) > >In other words, yeh, but my words were "so dependent", not "a slave". It's effectively servitude, in that by using the code FreeBSD is doing Stallman's bidding and promoting his agenda. >> When someone engages in a deceptive trade practice, one should not blame >> the consumers but rather the perpetrator. > >As I indicated, I blame each for different reasons. That's a more reasonable attitude. >But I try not to >blame someone soley for publishing software with a more restrictive >license than I'd prefer, The GPL is more than "restrictive." It's viral, discriminatory, and aimed right at programmers' livelihoods. >> If you talk to people who use >> Linux and GPLed software, you'll find that 99% of them have no idea >> whatsoever about the agenda they're promoting. > >I talk to Linux people at a LUG every month; most just don't care, >regardless of whether they know about it. That's true. >And sadly, most DEVELOPERS >soon catch on to and agree with the agenda, buying the over- >simplification that it's only fair that "if I can't use your source, >you can't use mine", as if all chunks of source are of equal value. And as if ALL of yours is worth one line of GPLed code. >Old Germans haven't found everyone as forgiving as you. But I get your >point. It's hard to blame individuals for choosing their own short- >term interests, even if it'll cost their group (and others) dearly in >the long run. It's one of the key strategies of malevolent people -- and always has been -- to play people's perceived short term interests off against their long term ones. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message