From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jun 23 16:21:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC7414D2E; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA38343; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Nik Clayton Cc: Greg Lehey , Mike Smith , Mark Newton , hm@hcs.de, nick.hibma@jrc.it, Doug Rabson , Peter Wemm , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft performance (was: All this and documentation too? (was: cvs commit: src/sys/isa sio.c)) In-Reply-To: <19990623233357.A43818@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: [deleted cvs-all from the list of cc's, how'd it get there? > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:39:28PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > But Mark illustrates my point perfectly; developers don't write > > > documentation. That's what camp followers are for. So far, we have > > > the ones that whine about the loot and throw mud at us when we march > > > too slowly, but not enough of the ones that sew our banners, mend our > > > pots and pans, or teach our version of the gospel to the heathens we > > > subdue. > > > > You can never get enough of them. > > And you don't get them by calling them "camp followers" either. But one thing I like is, although FreeBSD *does* try to appease user demands, it's controlled by programmers, not users, so if something is a technically extemely evil idea, no matter how the masses yell for it, it will NOT happen. We want to listen to our users, we don't want to disparage them, but we sure don't want to "sell our souls" to the masses either. FreeBSD is technical, and we want it to stay that way. If we can be smart and form something that everyone else likes, that's also very good, but not the first priority, I think. Making something we are all proud of, that's what keeps programmers here. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message