From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 14 06:26:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA15825 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from unix.tfs.net (root@unix.tfs.net [199.79.146.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15814 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@argus.tfs.net) Received: from argus.tfs.net (pm3-p14.tfs.net [206.154.183.206]) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05470; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:25:52 -0500 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus.tfs.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA03239; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:26:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199710141326.IAA03239@argus.tfs.net> Subject: Re: F1.17 (was Re: C2 Trusted FreeBSD?) In-Reply-To: <19971014184705.14861@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Oct 14, 97 06:47:05 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-to: jbryant@tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Jul 9 01:01:24 CDT 1997 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply: > On Tue, Oct 14, 1997 at 05:27:29PM +0930, Mike Smith wrote: > >> Now the B2, on the other hand - that may indeed be a bomber who's > >> primary mission no longer justifies its cost. Better to do today's > >> job with smaller, less expensive units. > > > > The notion that you need a pilot at the controls at all is the > > obsolescent concept. With todays state-of-the-art in semi- and > > fully-autonomous RPVs, piloted military aircraft are close to becoming > > dinosaurs. > > OK, guys, who's going to be the first to have a FreeBSD box fly a > bomber? We DO have an ADA compiler. beside the point... sorry guys... i should have realized from the initial gov-slam what the guy was doing... interesting discussion, all i wanted to do was to point out that the gentleman in question was both off topic and out of line, concerning the government's ability to keep a secret. which has everything to do with the topic, but i guess analogies are too much for some people. this topic has nothing to do with key escrow, or the government building bombing right-wing unpatriotic whacko-movement's idea of what key escrow is. listen to the whackos on their mouthpieces [WWCR shortwave, others] and if you still question key escrow, then i question your motives. now the statements are being extended to proven effective weapons systems, which is a lively topic, but has no place here. what i know about tomahawk, i cannot say here, but that the weapon works much better than anyone else here knows. btw: there is nothing wrong with the surface coatings of the f117a, the problems have been found in the b2, and are actively being solved... get your facts straight before inserting your foot in your mouth. for those of us who know the facts, let's get back on the original topic of C2+ security. for the other gentleman, please take your crap to alt.conspiracy, which, based on your commments, is right up your alley. this topic has no place in -hackers, if it keeps going, i'm going to rip into someone and make him look like a fool [with UNCLASS facts, of course]. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+