From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 30 01:38:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDE146B611 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ckntp0ch9z3w1d for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 0AU1cCCB013038 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:38:12 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 0AU1cjpO007479; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:38:45 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202011300138.0AU1cjpO007479@sdf.org> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:38:45 -0600 To: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X and console User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ckntp0ch9z3w1d X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[205.166.94.24:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:205.166.94.0/24]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[205.166.94.24:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sdf.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:38:27 -0000 On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:46:57 +0100 Polytropon wrote: >On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 19:04:54 +0100, Jan Stary wrote: >> This is 12.2 RELEASE (amd64) on a Dell Studio 1535 (dmesg below). >> It basicaly works, but I cannot swith between X and the console >> and don't get a console back once X has axited. >> >> While my window manager (cwm, but it's the same with any other) >> is runnig, ctrl-alt-fN does not take me to a console. Once the >> window manager exits (in whatever way: "exit" in fvwm, killing cwm, ...) >> the screen goes blank, with backlight on, but nothing else will happen. >> In particular, it does not switch back to the console where I launched >> startx and ctrl-alt-f1 ext will not take me to a console either. > >That is "normal", given how "great" vt is nowadays... ;-) > >In fact, it should be such a case that the consoles are there >and they also work, it's just that you can't _see_ anything. > > > >> Mu user is in the wehhel group, if it makes a difference. > >It should also be a member of "video". > > > >> Full Xorg.log below; [...] > >Looks like you're using the VESA driver. Try to use the driver >corresponding to your exact graphics hardware. Have both the >KMS driver loaded as well as the X driver installed (X will >load it automatically). > >Maybe the following resources will be helpful in combining >all the relevant parts, It seems that you are missing some. ;-) > >https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons > >https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics > >https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html > >Use X without any configuration file (xorg.conf or partial >files) for testing. Everything should be detected and configured >automatically. > >My absolutely unbiased and unpolluted opinion: Say goodbye >to text mode. Use X and its terminal emulators instead. It >just works and doesn't stab you from behind. :-) > If only that lovely fantasy were true! See, for example, PR 247441. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **********************************************************************