From owner-cvs-all Mon Mar 12 4:13:19 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F89637B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 04:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2CCDNV52178; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:13:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Josef Karthauser , Ian Dowse , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:55:34 +0100." <20010312125534.B46529@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:13:23 +0100 Message-ID: <52176.984399203@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010312125534.B46529@daemon.ninth-circle.org>, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmo dai writes: >I know for a fact that a bunch of committers and developers are actively >moving back to STABLE to do development on because CURRENT wasted/wastes >their time too often by having them find and solve the problems in there >before they could continue their own work. This is nothing new. We've seen it before in the project and we will probably see it again. The only cure is a decently stable .0 release. > - We definately lack architectural guidance, things keep getting > added and added, but were do we draw the line? Yes. I agree. For instance, anybody with just a moderately senior kernel hacker were able to predict that diffs between 4.x and 5.x would be a total wreck for most people. I think the mistake was to try to do "the normal -current/-stable thing" despite the fact that we knew it would break down. > - Who will be part of an architecural team if it is to be > formed? Based on seniority and proven wide-angle view I would currently point to people like peter, msmith and myself. > - How can we best inform our community about what cool new > things FreeBSD is doing? Getting more of our f**king userbase involved in spreading the word ? I think our users are a lazy bunch of elitist snobs when it comes to advocacy. There are a few out there who try to kindle the flame, but most of them would never do squat to try to spread the gospel... Of course, one could *hope* that core would spend time on such issues, but hey, I'm not holding my breath... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message