From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 8 22:41:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9C316A402 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnzw@isp.com) Received: from mail10.mdx.safepages.com (mail10.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8153C13C467 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnzw@isp.com) Received: by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id B329C20317; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:16:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [216.8.44.196] (216-8-44-196.dialup.ziplink.net [216.8.44.196]) by mail10.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5782E20200 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45CBA137.7050701@isp.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:16:23 -0500 From: John Walthall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vistua@sdf.lonestar.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:41:08 -0000 Ok, now an editorial: Kernel PPP is certified crap and should be phased out. In my personal opinion the reason that it is unmaintained and slowly dissolving into a nonfunctional pool of electrolytes, is that it is functionally obsolete. User PPP provides better service, and several tangible design benefits. User PPP is very easy to use, Kernel PPP is not. I have had nothing but serious problems with Kernel PPP, In my experience whenever Kernel PPP crashes, which it does pretty much at random, and always when the network drops (a common happening for those of us blighted by Dial up.) It causes the whole system to lock up. *Forcing*me*to*physically*unplug*the*computer*to*continue*. FreeBSD is NOT Linux, and SHOULD NOT attempt to model it. FreeBSD is BSD UNIX! Isn't that the WHOLE POINT (pardon my shouting) for our existence? Isn't this why you and me bear with minor points such as this one. BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT AND PROUD OF IT! If you just start modeling Linux, we are invalidating our own existence and vindicating Linux's innumerable disparities, nay flaws. We have a fundamental design difference from Linux here. We chose this difference because we believed that it was better. Why would we go back now because the developers of a third-party interface to our systems did a clumsy job? Rather than weep in anguish at their implementation of a known faulty and legacy system. We should adjure them to implement the new and better system. This is not actually an appropriate place for this discussion. It should be directed to porten@kde.org and/or http://bugs.kde.org. Because it is a KDE problem and *not* a FreeBSD Problem. (I have already submitted it to the KDE Bugzilla) These are of course my own opinions. -- Unless instructed to do otherwise | Support public access UNIX address mail to vistua@sdf.lonestar.org | http://sdf.lonestar.org and not to johnzw@isp.com |