From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 24 19:51:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0D916A424 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:51:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: from mailrly08.isp.novis.pt (mailrly08.isp.novis.pt [195.23.133.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9EA43D48 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:51:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from miguel@anjos.strangled.net) Received: (qmail 31784 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailfrt11.isp.novis.pt) ([195.23.133.227]) (envelope-sender ) by mailrly08.isp.novis.pt with compressed SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 19:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 411 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO compaq.anjos.strangled.net) ([87.196.202.124]) (envelope-sender ) by mailfrt11.isp.novis.pt with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from compaq.anjos.strangled.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compaq.anjos.strangled.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OJos41005841; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:50:55 GMT (envelope-from miguel@compaq.anjos.strangled.net) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by compaq.anjos.strangled.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k1OJor36005840; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:50:53 GMT (envelope-from miguel) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:50:53 GMT From: Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos Message-Id: <200602241950.k1OJor36005840@compaq.anjos.strangled.net> To: algould@datawok.com, miguel@anjos.strangled.net In-Reply-To: <20060224085303.1f326038@grokwell.org> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Mall : to hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:51:13 -0000 > > > > Wherever there's people making money out of free software there's > > > > dishonesty. > > > > > > This is untrue. Many people make money out of free software. > > > There is a long history of it and all of it quite honest. > > > > Sorry. I meant in the CD packing business. Ok, I'm sorry everyone, I went too far. > > How can it be explained that Red Hat EL sells for a price comparable > > to some versions of Windows? At least, at Microsoft they had the > > costs of producing themselves a new, modern OS from scratch. > > What about some versions of linux totally based on free and GPLed > > software selling for $40-50? The price of media? > > _______________________________________________ > > I don't think it can accurately be said that Red Hat is simply in the > CD packing business: > > 1. Remember that Linux is just the kernel. Red Hat has to assemble the > OS and create processes for installation and maintenance. Linux is just the kernel and there's a lot of GNU throughout the system and a lot of other things too. More of anything else than of RedHat's. I apreciate their effort in assembling the system and their own contribution to Linux. But... Windows NT, which was my comparison, was designed from scratch. > 2. When you buy Red Hat EL, you're also buying support and > accountability. These things are impossible to provide without payroll > expenses. Of course. And I suppose their expenses are greater than Microsoft's on a per-license basis, because the scale is smaller. Even so. At $179 per workstation, and $349 per server, it's a lot of money. To the potential buyer, confronting with buying Microsoft or Sun, it probably pays, but my point is that these prices are market driven, and have nothing to do with cost. It is this respect which I think it's contrary to the spirit of a lot of the software that is a component in their package. > 3. Red Hat employs many open source developers, many of whom work on > projects other than Linux (postgresql, for example). I don't think this argument applies. It's a bit like saying that Bill Gates getting richer and richer is good, since he gives a third of his fortune to charity.