From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 14:58:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B561065672 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@legolasweb.nl) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7128FC1D for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.139] (helo=smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RR2rb-0003IR-E4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:51 +0100 Received: from 5357e90f.cm-6-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.233.15] helo=homey.local) by smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RR2rb-0007ZH-48 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:51 +0100 Received: from homey.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homey.local (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pAHEMsFt049925 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stas@homey.local) Received: (from stas@localhost) by homey.local (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id pAHEMsBi049924 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stas) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:54 +0100 From: Stas Verberkt To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111117142254.GA49527@homey.local> References: <201111161924.54727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <20111117070532.1c7c9350@scorpio> <201111170928.57489.lobo@bsd.com.br> <20111117075502.74f9dbd2@scorpio> <20111117080004.00000179@unknown> <20111117083849.288fa033@scorpio> <20111117090239.00001a97@unknown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111117090239.00001a97@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: -0.8 Subject: Re: [OT] but concerns all of us X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:58:16 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:02:39AM -0500, Rod Person wrote: > As someone that has been stop because of how I look and where I live, I > find the 'only those that break laws have reason to fear them argument' > extremely naive. It is not just naive, it is not an argument. If we would pass anything under the idea of "nothing to hide", we could just drop all safeguards in, for example, the remote search legislation (hacking of suspects by the police). Or hand out search warrants for a complete neighbourhoud of its probable that there are stolen goods in the area. Its merely a comment, and I suppose its naive. Certainly in the light that privacy is about "being able to develop your personality freely" and thus does just concern what would happen if a country were to get a dictator, but also with people feeling free enough to develop their own ideas on society. Nevertheless, under European law, such legislation would probably not pass as it is not a "proportional" impact on "privacy" (a human right, article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights) and thus not "necessary in a democratic society". However, I'm not a law student and also not from the USA, so I don't know how this would work out in practice at the other side of the ocean.=20 Kind regards --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOxRi9AAoJEKBMSeL04vuLSyQP/2RQMOkz0v/95LW0mKUusT5/ dNTHRZL+Haf+ErX/E80z6Kj4uLQRDEI4NzUdPjc40txyOSmrJfyuhReJO2hm0atP i2ECR4qkl1+y+aZACQ9aDmY6oQYUnc54O5vLxX1sM0G01kYS/rWcfF1tEP0xGTHH j0iSGvuf9+TipZC48q++c2ST2hquUqrDRTvnWl0l4U14PDX/CJG5CDGZQnIav+mr J1wASujCNFe04R4mlVh1Es1QbSpkTOYM5+gwoJU00qyvEGpdMGF5LEq5/dkjFT/X 8G8rrUzBjsUgni+dmZzfWbF8bxYKNh66xez2nEZN4+IUcP5bc6YhLONRr1T6+mfr uP0A5CHKKEiF/vFIxn67uGRNXrl69mbyo17Mgu9cX8tY9hMOIM5dflQNoFv6QDjX dUphB/NLO/cr4RjsD6zT8EqPHj2IOrB8r5MZ238A/ZP3cUyWhYgrM1LkMlN2xnOH HT29RCVOHdWCffZSs0roep5OQFGD1LSXtUsjKeWOZgOnJMucF4IxuJGTg8p3VXo8 Y0o/gmJP4Tk7G1AM/OEYv+ztAIDvqJropdjSDn2BBWe02terncKbGDC+p/q3zZbv K5HQJzWv8LuG2GJAtkh3hNy9OfGYC8VVfBdDsyYGHKxhc8rXDuKgnPuM2PTTxugj x9hEmU9uRdD8m3/PY734 =fwGB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga--