From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 18:36:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA6D106567D; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D710C8FC12; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [172.16.12.8] (covad-jrhett.meer.net [209.157.140.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8NIaKKv056811; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=-0.959] Message-Id: <6DEC0D55-6D22-48AB-81D3-4740CFABD2FD@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20080923163556.H76357@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:36:20 -0700 References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <0C2C7E9B-61E3-4720-B76F-4745A3C963DA@netconsonance.com> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <448wtpcikb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <34C3D54B-C88C-4C36-B1FE-C07FC27F8CB5@netconsonance.com> <48D596AD.1070209@bgp4.net> <7FC02881-91A6-4A2B-B58F-A4D1671B9978@netconsonance.com> <20080923163556.H76357@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: freebsd-stable , Robert Watson , "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:36:24 -0000 On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Ian Smith wrote: > It also doesn't seem reasonable to expect that decision to be rushed > in > advance of the necessary evaluation of the success or otherwise of > both > 6.4 and 7.1 releases - especially when we're talking about these being > only a month or so away anyway. Let me try to say this one other way. If you want businesses or anyone really who doesn't have unlimited time and energy to help evaluate, test, etc this release prior to it coming out, shouldn't you make it worth their while? Supporting 6.3 for longer than 6.4 doesn't make it worth anyone's time or attention to evaluate 6.4. Which means that it becomes significantly more likely that 6.4 will ship with a major problem that could or should have been caught in pre- release testing. The current policy of "not deciding until after the fact" for support periods could in fact be implemented with a reasonable policy that doesn't require a psychic to determine the likely failure or not of a release. I've proposed one. I'm sure that there are better ways to say it, but I'd really appreciate it if you guys would take the problem seriously. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness