From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:48:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BEA16A4D1 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86FB43D2D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CF565381; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 66836-02-2; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (adsl-67-121-93-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.121.93.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DB0653D2; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D152E66A7; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:48:24 -0800 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Charles Sprickman Message-ID: <20041112234824.GA5241@empiric.icir.org> Mail-Followup-To: Charles Sprickman , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <41940880.7070409@corserv.com> <20041112023023.GG19417@silverwraith.com> <20041112031122.GA87071@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20041112055543.GH19417@silverwraith.com> <20041112184710.GA1594@dragon.nuxi.com> <41951400.8040805@corserv.com> <20041112213429.GD830@empiric.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcsh fix X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:48:46 -0000 Hello, Misunderstandings such as this seem to be all too common in volunteer open source projects, sadly, and the resultant slagging match on mailing lists is counterproductive for all concerned. On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:53:58PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote: > As an interested (and innocent) bystander, I'm not quite grasping why it's > an either/or proposition. Why not just break the link, grab net/open's > /bin/csh and commit it? Because we settled on tcsh 4 years ago, and no one has complained up until now, and making such a change now means going through all the vendor branch rigmarole for another shell in the base system, when the vast majority of people using the system are happy with the shells we already have, and alternatives are easily and readily available from ports. If person X wants shell Y which is not in the base system, and they wish to use they are perfectly free to use ports or maintain a local branch. The latter is non-trivial, the former, well, the time and effort involved in maintaining a port is far lower, and a port already exists for this particular case. Being abusive towards the volunteers who maintain something largely for free, and maintaining that something a bug when it isn't, when the answer to person X's problems is right in front of them, doesn't help anyone - it certainly doesn't help the person who wants the functionality of shell Y, and it doesn't magically inspire the volunteers who maintain the project to invest the non-trivial time and effort in creating a CVS vendor branch to maintain shell Y, which only person X has asked for. Regards, BMS