From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 25 19:13:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C4016A4CE; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A562443D31; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:13:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i6PJDLbC026813; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id i6PJDKTv026812; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:13:20 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20040725191320.GA25665@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20040725104510.GA10921@saltmine.radix.net> <20040725150847.GA19015@saltmine.radix.net> <4103EC99.5040104@mac.com> <20040725180905.GA15760@saltmine.radix.net> <4103FFD4.1000505@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4103FFD4.1000505@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i cc: x11@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: blue term color in xorg (was: Re: HEADSUP: X.Org conversion) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:13:22 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 02:45:40PM -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote: > It is my intent to criticise X11, for a number of reasons. X11 is=20 > needlessly complex, has terrible usability from the end-user's perspectiv= e=20 > (normal people find the configuration, font selection, and so forth to be= =20 > incomprehensible), for having poor documentation, and for a number of mor= e=20 > technical reasons. true (I said a lot of that in the late 80's). Since it didn't go away, I decided it should at least work properly. =20 > X11 could benefit from criticism. To some extent, criticizing X11 means= =20 > criticizing the work people have done on X11. Some-- perhaps even most--= =20 > of the significant problems I see with X11 have to do with the mindset of= =20 > "needlessly complex answers to simple questions". >=20 > Why did Apple choose not to use X11 as the window system for MacOS X? I believe the answer to that is that they already had a lot of code of their own which worked with the existing system. (I've also read that their internals aren't much to brag about either). --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFBBAZPtIqByHxlDocRAqHnAKCkTKq5+xWRmaOmEFhe4tS7EuBjIgCaAzEF MS/pjQTdS9jFguCyiJBfcKw= =OaGK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo--