From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 11 19:51:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327BA16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx3.mail.ru (mx3.mail.ru [194.67.23.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4D143D76 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vadim_nuclight@mail.ru) Received: from [83.172.3.181] (port=32435 helo=[83.172.3.181]) by mx3.mail.ru with esmtp id 1DVxEn-0004PG-00; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:51:22 +0400 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 02:42:32 +0700 From: Vadim Goncharov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.01) Personal Organization: Home X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <825873532.20050512024232@mail.ru> To: Jeppe Larsen In-Reply-To: References: <20050509200737.GA18593@gentoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: is this your culture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vadim Goncharov List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:51:24 -0000 Hello Jeppe, Thursday, May 12, 2005, 1:46:41 AM, you wrote: JL> Thanx for your replies, and I can assure you that we have written all over JL> our report, that _good_ code is almost all that matters, so there JL> shouldn't be anything missing there. We will consider wbat to do with your JL> other suggestions. (1) [...] JL> -One must think for himself and do "the right thing" (here hopefully JL> referring to the mentality that one should at least have searched google, JL> the mailinglist archive and read som man-pages, before involving others in JL> his problems. It should also refer to the idea about "elegant software" JL> and writing software that gives the user the abillity to do what he wants JL> and not the other way around) (2) JL> -Our way of doing things is right (well, this is very commonsense, because JL> of course you think that FreeBS at least has some things right, or else JL> you wouldn't be working on the project vulentarily. But it should also say JL> something about your little "distance" you make to the way for example JL> GNU/Linux does things. "The BSDL is true free software", "We love Unix, JL> we don't hate Windows" and so on) Yes, in addition to (1) and (2) it must be said that BSD users tend to have more deep knowledge in used areas. It is preferred that you gain through way described in (2) systematic knowledge: not pieces "do this, it will work way 1, do that, it will work way 2", but overall understanding. En masse comparison of systems: Linux way: following HOWTOs, quick-n-dirty making things work, doing by example, writing HOWTOs for a few practical things not counting other variants, not big all-covering docs. BSD way: long preparative reading of all available docs, understanding how it works (you do nothing practical before this and patiently learn), then you have ability to do whatever you want as you know all, so you prefer to do it the most elegant (as seen from theory) way. After that, good all-descriptive docs (academic way!) are written, not step-by-step HOWTOs. -- Best regards, Vadim Goncharov ICQ UIN 166852181 mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru