From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 08:32:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DD5C8EB for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "funkthat.com", Issuer "funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F2BDD00 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from h2.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id sAL8Wd4R005620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@h2.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by h2.funkthat.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id sAL8Wdip005619; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:32:39 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Rick Macklem Subject: Re: I'd like to axe some drivers Message-ID: <20141121083239.GE99957@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Rick Macklem , Warner Losh , arch@freebsd.org References: <573D346B-3AB8-4EC7-A03F-1B2B1291A5BC@bsdimp.com> <606121646.4500834.1416533554657.JavaMail.root@uoguelph.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <606121646.4500834.1416533554657.JavaMail.root@uoguelph.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (h2.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:32:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:32:45 -0000 Rick Macklem wrote this message on Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 20:32 -0500: > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Nov 20, 2014, at 3:07 PM, John-Mark Gurney > > wrote: > > > > > I'm fine w/ removing these... Should we do some house cleaning on > > > amd64's GENERIC too? > > > > > > amd64's GENERIC has a lot of ISA or 100Mbit ethernet cards that are > > > clearly not going to be used on these machines... > > > > > > My recommended list to remove: > > > ae, bfe, dc, fxp, hme?, pcn, rl, tx, vr, wb, xl, cs, ed, ex, ep, > > > fe, > > > sn, xe > > > > All the PC Card ones (cs, ed, ex, ep, fe, sn, xe) are no brainers to > > remove > > from GENERIC. > > > > hme is a Sparc-centric card, so can go. > > > > The CardBus ones (dc, fxp, rl, re and xl) are less no-brainerish. > > Older 64-bit > > laptops have only CardBus, and some have these built-in. Since these > > types > > of systems are rare, and rarely NFS boot, having them as modules is > > likely > > fine. > > > Yep. I'm typing this on a laptop that has a single core amd chip and > an re(4) net chip. I actually run i386 FreeBSD on it (although I have > booted an amd64 FreeBSD CD), so I don't care so long as these old net > drivers remain in i386. Considering I recently installed i386 HEAD on a K6/200 box w/ an fxp, it'll be a while before the drivers go from i386.. FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r266964:267061M: Wed Jun 11 15:35:27 PDT 2014 jmg@carbon.funkthat.com:/usr/obj/i386.i386/usr/src/sys/serbox i386 FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032) 20140512 CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (200.46-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x562 Family=0x5 Model=0x6 Stepping=2 Features=0x8001bf AMD Features=0x400<> [...] fxp0: port 0x6800-0x683f mem 0xe0100000-0xe0100fff,0xe0000000-0xe00fffff irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci0 -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."