From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 21:30:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F891065670 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75CA8FC1F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so675639wyf.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type; bh=BlTtAsBGnc3rFRpG8WqnJAtRwcUq8agSlF1pt/ZSWac=; b=QWHoaF3zN5uCRWt/hUronEpJpK8UUy7OS/pAH5BHHkxF3gCEUGD//7hoGFrL17miW1 2DCbXWtzU2ghq8zUdooZeRPDc752cLxH5gmDVfdFDSKnctP0wK6RrzCjwJnrpFyvHWdi yTW85LIj8PSouaL0SWZpXNjHJi6IQhb+AXNFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=sZ9+siavHmtC6VVIKhTZfC8j2bm01xpqtdfsA7I+7GBLrzROEm+GMIKfBiDNwSXYIP KWtc91xiLLhmywoI+Ty8HMmpVCM7u4xHngByFhh/sFcIgbXgORohEhFEEJUcP1jhRDDo dhAeJ4CZXniya5YWHdEgXMTL6rwps1H03r26c= Received: by 10.227.139.14 with SMTP id c14mr366108wbu.55.1301434220783; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.elkotek ([78.163.45.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm2656465wbg.34.2011.03.29.14.30.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D924F65.3080601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:30:13 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a8WfaW4gQWtkZW5peg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; tr-TR; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110307 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> In-Reply-To: <20110329144527.c009ba8b.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9" Subject: Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: goksin.akdeniz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:30:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4E8020C3762990BF67FB09E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ...I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to a= dopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.= ). There is no distro in BSDworld. BSD family is complete operating system. Linux distros are a combination of a kernel and all the tools necessary for an operating system to work properly. >=20 > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would = take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking... > BSD operatings system family has many member. Each one is develeoped with a common criteria that users and -almost- developers are the same people. So it is not a surprise that you had trouble with the configuration. The configuration troubles can be solved by reading the documentation and applying it. Also the hardware has got its nasty part. Not all hardware are BSD compatible. Some may work and some may not. Consult the release notes before attempting to installing and trying to configure the hardware. An unsupported piece of hardware would consume your time for nothing but pain. >=20 > ...I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. > I have 10+ years old computers that could not run those Linux distributions you had mentioned but could easily run FreeBSD and OpenBSD current branches as well as STABLE and RELEASE. There is no analogous choice for BSD familiy of operatings systems from my point of view compared to Linux distros you've mentioned. There is no flash for BSD. Ypu need Linux compatibility and Linux stuff is needed to install flash. I do not nedd flash. No codec needed on my boxes. >=20 > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? > There is no BSD distro. > > What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jes= sica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > It is quite common that anyone can suggest PC-BSD for "easy to use" keeping in mind "casual computer user". Though I am not sure Paris or Jessica is "casual". I prefer FreeBSD and OpenBSD for my laptops and desktops also for servers, network management and for all kind of computing stuff. >=20 > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these B= SD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. >=20 Well, try to install OpenBSD as it is straight forward to install. OpenBSD doetects and configures all the hardware if supported. Installer is text based. Just answer the questions and you are done. Desktop is FVWM. You may not like the look and feel. You can install another desktop or window manager via packages. The ISO files for installation is quite small ~ 200MiB in size. Consult the OpenBSD FAQ before downloading and installing it. Patches are released as source code not binary. You have to compile and install patches, fallow the instructions of the relevent patches. And a couple of words: Read the documentationand make sure you understand it! Read the release notes and errata! Check the compatibility of the hardware you have! Backup you data! There is no BSD distro thing! BSD is direct descendent of UNIX! 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