From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 20:41:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F56D103 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5F8EA0C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8GKfqDn087329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id s8GKfqlZ087326; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Re: A lot of pkg problems In-Reply-To: <54189CD1.7070102@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <2509308.9rytrV7MvD@penguin> <5411A89B.4010707@gmail.com> <1812950.bWcWxrzvJI@penguin> <54189CD1.7070102@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jamie Griffin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Coert X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:41:54 -0000 On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Coert: >> Upgraded to version 1.3.7, was on an older one indeed. Was running 1.2.4_1 >> Still having issues though, for now I just stick to release/0 and pkg >> version 1.2.4_1 Going to try an upgrade later > I really don't know why pkg should be used in this stage. I seldom have seen > so much negative side effects with using a program as with this one. > Is the program not tested thouroughly or am I just too stupid to understand? > Last time I used it, my complete php port system got damaged and had to > reinstall BSD from scratch in order to get my active ports in line again. > > Please understand that writing this is no offence to the author of pkg; I > really respect all effort that is put in it - I just don't understand why it > causes me/us so much trouble using it. Sometimes there is bad data from previous installations, or usage of the tool is different enough from the previous one that it is misunderstood. Sometimes, that is a doc bug. Two important points: 1. Using pkg to manage installed applications does not require using binary packages. Ports work as before. 2. A total removal and reinstall of packages or ports does not require reinstalling the operating system. At worst, deleting all installed applications with 'pkg delete -afy' is enough.