From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 22 18:57:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D366502; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8978FBF9; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id bs8so1413681wib.5 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=O0lGYAFOFOcYy2EOXZq1geB+nzyKPgNwnS8r30tQ2mg=; b=yg58rKk2P06aEERlkaxHXr81KZhGt8nRg45enKgYBK0dWTvmZN+HETMaQo2HT5FhB8 Hig9czU8hNwtbChTygBul0CaXlko0qoGqgBHh6svmGK9RQ8WUuNVl4eLg6NQTmMHOj7N 7wUDVCOy/9yJR+qbcKxpWaSjAciFaf9lRVJ3hSzmgPG4IhMQEDBEkBjPyqC2pPi5Eoo9 xUp8sutjg2Z8JCMVZbRbWbxBpmiNzRSpZPyIvTvBq+owbCvICvkgDedvdRsZMsUqT9UX LEGHF+W61uSHs5WG4ivxO3ldtPT7JSxb/z80kxXoAjdd95zTbB8ovLrkzANXS93sJgBq WQVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.199 with SMTP id hm7mr5226169wib.1.1395514638696; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.76.11 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <532DDB5A.8090205@freebsd.org> References: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> <5328A03A.3000305@freebsd.org> <532DDB5A.8090205@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:57:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: Nathan Whitehorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:57:21 -0000 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: >> >> from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades >> >> firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is >> not installed, so firefox's ./configure bombs testing hello world. >> >> Attempting to figure out what has hardwired gcc47 quickly leads down >> an entire separate /usr/ports/Mk/ file full of the usual garbage, >> none >> of which actually says gcc47. Presumably it is somehow inheriting >> from /usr/ports/lang/gcc's version (as opposed to >> /usr/port/lang/gcc4[69] -- this machine happens to have gcc46 >> installed). >> >> This is as far as I got before giving up in disgust. Maybe they'll >> sort it out by the time I care. Or maybe I'll wipe and Ubuntu. >> >> essentially, from a user perspective, the ports have become kiddieville, >> with no testing or seeming adult supervision. if you're just trying to >> get your work done, freebsd ports have become toxic. >> >> randy >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > This is actually a serious problem, not just for Randy, but for many people. > I've stopped updating machines because it is impossible to trust that ports > actually works -- and has been impossible to do so for a year now. I realize > that a lot of feature changes have been required for modernization (staging, > for example), but the pace has been relentless enough that things just don't > work the majority of the time. Ports used to be one of FreeBSD's great > strengths -- now it is driving people away. This is not anecdotal and not a > limited problem. > > At least testing branches would be appreciated. Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2010-March/060296.html > -Nathan > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"