From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 22 19:10:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74B3368F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-x229.google.com (mail-ob0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39984D10 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va2so4006060obc.14 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wfpTg7DoxXASxC4na1Is5wXkag03cuT0GYrOhJ5I/m4=; b=m11RYBSxLL/QUDVGIlp+3qYAuT3HwGPThFwiEkYpS4CFA/dP4ssFgSNwo+isZZVl9e i2azqzcK9KJI0h8K5ydTEsgNYVPJV4geAbJSK+09PYLz1dej99NXKNl+lG+f87NkldKf NlYuzN/BYtPyTOG2OqM6+kAFHB9G9uQsmOQW4drzP22EBkPpPvduyrxTkK+g7RxPmmMx NDUVlYJy3qVRnZuunkMVQhfvah837F9KUUKzNMGKg48HYoCJbQ05SL4+Sz9KRJG1Eroa IMRbWh4ttBwUFRgTYQkc3s0u68WIF0iZWKXyRHW4AlxFRzv+VdXWmG84KCbiOGOEhBi1 8W+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.134.137 with SMTP id pk9mr48653183oeb.40.1395515438209; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.180.40 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.180.40 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> <5328A03A.3000305@freebsd.org> <532DD2EB.1080204@freebsd.org> <532DD64B.9000905@freebsd.org> <532DD978.3010502@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux From: Freddie Cash To: FreeBSD Ports Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:10:39 -0000 Forgot to reply to list. Typos and terseness brought to you by the LG G2 running SlimKat. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Freddie Cash" Date: Mar 22, 2014 12:09 PM Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux To: "Randy Bush" Cc: On Mar 22, 2014 11:49 AM, "Randy Bush" wrote: > > > Honest question, have you been building things from source under > > debian's ports or are you using their version of "pkg"? > > the latter > > and i have two 9 systems where i try to use freebsd-update. also a > time-consuming rabbit hole leading nowhere pleasant. e.g. > > # freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.2-RELEASE-p3 > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > > The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: > kernel/generic world/base world/doc world/games world/lib32 > > The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: > > Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y > > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE-p3 from update5.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE-p3 from update2.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE-p3 from update3.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE-p3 from update4.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.2-RELEASE-p3 from update6.freebsd.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. As a counter-point, I just upgraded 4 systems running different versions of 9.1-STABLE to 9.2-RELEASE-p3 this week. Took only 1 work day to: - migrate from single disk to zfs-on-root - migrate from gmirror to zfs-on-root - create new boot environment - rebuild world to get back to "stock" - use freebsd-update to get latest updates - upgrade pkg - upgrade/reinstall all packages The longest part was rebuilding world to get things to a state where freebsd-update could work. Everything after that took maybe an hour. I was quite impressed by how quickly and easily things were updated/installed using the binary tools. Once you start using the binary tools and treat the FreeBSD systems like Debian systems, everything works the same, with the same ease-of-use. I did the same at home, going from FreeBSD 9.1 to PC-BSD 9.1 to TruOS 9 (rolling release) to PC-BSD 9.2. Didn't have to compile a thing. The more I use only the binary tools, the more impressed with FreeBSD I get. And I've been using it since 3.1/4.0 (although I do have 2.2 on CD). The pkg team have been doing sine wonderful things. Once they stop changing the config files, things will get even better. :) Typos and terseness brought to you by the LG G2 running SlimKat.