From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 8 04:06:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E91716A4CE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.199.47.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5AF43D55 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:06:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6584251461; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:06:42 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: supraexpress@globaleyes.net Message-ID: <20050208040642.GA37528@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20050208034855.D211E43D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050208034855.D211E43D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Yet another sysinstall thread (Re: The case for FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:06:43 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 09:48:48PM -0600, supraexpress@globaleyes.net wrote: > One of the main "stumbling blocks" to using FreeBSD is the installation > process. I have had "lots of fun" (not!) with NetBSD's line-mode/shell-sc= ript > "installer" and confusing companion installation instructions, in the pas= t; I > only tried OpenBSD once and don't remember anything about its installation > process, but I seem to recall that it was similar to NetBSD's; FreeBSD's > 'DOS-like menu' system is a travisty and IS PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT T= URNS > OFF MORE PROSPECTIVE FBSD USERS THAN ANYTHING ELSE - I know - I have hear= d! >=20 > Besides, it is REALLY EASY to get lost in the FBSD installer "menu system= ", > and not that hard to get caught in a "control loop"; this is not to say t= hat > the current FBSD installer is a piece of junk - I give kudos to its > developers, but IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON, and this is the ONE thing that gets > compared to with Linux "installers" as well as Winchoke, probably more th= an > anything else, so if FreeBSD is going to be more appealing to "the masses= ", > it needs a completely new installation process (note: I don't really care > for Solaris' "wizard process" - though it is not TOO bad, and I am not > trying to advocate a "wizard process" that mirrors others). >=20 > I offer the following suggestions for cogitation and realize that some > of MY choices may not be "the best", but here goes anyhow: Fine, yeah, sysinstall sucks, but writing emails proposing specifications for how someone else should implement a replacement isn't going to get that job done. Thousands of words have been written on that topic over the years, but precious little code. Kris --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCCDrSWry0BWjoQKURAnLxAJ9ltd0wgtbLy9LUx+QIUOI2Qp/PZgCeP4O8 nr86MLj0eRN/nK4Is/WY6S0= =nqbS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S--