From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 20 14:54:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB3D3E4322 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BvVwf5jhwz4dVr for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BvVwc6Cg7zFmb0 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1600613696; bh=huDlLZ5KB6jNM597UzFoo5p8AxE90QIw3T5aeHC0sKc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jXVGC+uSkjHKkQZ2TMwx0w0NLSLE9AMR8ME3YZll8u2AdbhodwVOgOWejLq7/mN41 3//QtNLm0B0bpdCdMkrkE3azCUQR1PxJ4QLKJTZo0Y27NlBD/ODTQBDn+ffy1vnqIq Sd0EClPQClOAFiT0GFZVA2qGc87+08DakAe7w1e4= X-Riseup-User-ID: 8ADA0C8859D7E7E5DBEC4A4CD6ADFFC838C57BA57A4DE152A12D44D9B8DC233F Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BvVwc1Y2Lz8sjl for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:54:53 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual-booting/triple-booting FreeBSD under UEFI Message-ID: <20200920165453.78d03bdd@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200920162833.433a14ce.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200919180814.00005391@seibercom.net> <20200920035310.72276666@archlinux> <20200920162833.433a14ce.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BvVwf5jhwz4dVr X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=jXVGC+uS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.71 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.04)[-1.042]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.07)[-1.070]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:54:59 -0000 On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:28:33 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 03:53:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> A business technology news website spreading inaccurate news isn't >> required to get informed about known vulnerabilities. > >If they aren't even able to get (or interested in getting) the >terminology correct... if I remember correctly, what GRUB does >is called a "boot manager" (thing that usually interactively >selects from different operating systems to boot, or configures >the boot of one operating system, by setting boot parameters or >kernel options). GRUB does this even in Linux-only installations. >A boot loader can be a standard MBR, without any interactivity, >that loads an operating system. This is the typical situation >on systems running FreeBSD exclusively. > >Or is there a different definition or consensus of the words? IMO it's correct to call grub a "boot loader", too. "Boot loader A boot loader is a piece of software started by the firmware (BIOS or UEFI). [snip] A separate boot loader or boot manager can still be used for the purpose of editing kernel parameters before booting." - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_boot_process#Boot_loader