From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 8 01:08:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD62616A41F; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 01:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ABD13C447; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 01:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (localhost.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745FB192932; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:37 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=ijs.si; s=ja-200610; t=1181264917; bh=5crAjmFLCRZCW2VtdoMmJs+RRHE=; h=X-Virus-Scanned: Received:Received:Received:Received:From:Organization:To:Subject: Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition: Message-Id; b=KcEljpATgcgBiTRKLtLWokPHgW7aUuka/ObqFZ2+idD07ErQfVYw kMcnxBbAfuRuZjXklx8EcKpRaUZBVR9NstZOMHp/XkgbVXQhKFHZhD9XyyMqQ5RiNBA kHuC8gQYj X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 2lhRo+kXRptk; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F55A19285F; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from radagast.ijs.si (radagast.ijs.si [193.2.4.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F0F511BA; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by radagast.ijs.si (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5818WgE001770; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) From: Dejan Lesjak Organization: IJS To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:08:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <200706061625.l56GP3lo043614@repoman.freebsd.org> <20070607102229.98t8ak5kmoo8woco@webmail.leidinger.net> <20070607091605.GB22049@rot13.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20070607091605.GB22049@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706080308.31808.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: Florent Thoumie , Kris Kennaway , Eric Anholt , Pav Lucistnik , Mark Linimon , Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/libX11 Makefile distinfo manpages pkg-plist ports/x11/libX11/files patch-src_ImUtil.c X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:08:38 -0000 [moving to freebsd-x11@] On Thursday 07 June 2007 11:16:05 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:22:29AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > Quoting Mark Linimon (from Wed, 6 Jun 2007 > > > > 20:55:38 -0500): > > >On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:44:50PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > >>The FreeBSD project does not have the resources (or desire) to > > >> effectively do full-time incremental X.org release engineering because > > >> of X.org changes being continuously pushed into ports. > > > > Who decides what is going in and what not? What changes are allowed to > > go in and which aren't (read: what's the definition of "important" > > here)? > > "Fixes an application crash" or "Fixes a security vulnerability" would > be good reasons. "Fixes some manpage typos" or "Adds a new cursor > theme" or "Adds some linux-specific cruft" would not be :-) I don't > want to have to be the guardian of this myself so I hope the x11@ > mailing list will self-regulate with a bit of guidance. > > Basically everyone needs to be aware that commits to x.org core ports > (those in the dependency path of xorg-libraries, basically) need to > come with a clear justification of why the update is required, so if > you are prepared to defend yourself with solid arguments on that point > then you probably have a reason to proceed. Picking more or less random message... I don't think this is such a big deal actually. This is mostly about xorg-libraries dependencies (the core x.org ports) and they will probably not get new versions released that often (eg. last libX11 release was 30 Nov 2006) by X.org themselves. And then there are releases that might as well be skipped alltogether (libXcomposite 0.3.2 comes to mind); we already have http://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsNotUpgraded to annotate those. There will probably be more frequent updates of ports right now, though, as we find some regressions and other stuff missed in testing as more people with various environments get to install the thing. As for this specific upgrade, it was indeed of the "Fixes an application crash" and "Fixes a security vulnerability" type and as said happened a bit more than 6 months after last release. Dejan