From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 23 01:06:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9804DC75; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 01:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cargobay.net (cargobay.net [162.220.58.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AB4C0D; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 01:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.39.19.4] (mobile-198-228-209-025.mycingular.net [198.228.209.25]) by cargobay.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5854D75A; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux From: "Chad J. Milios" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D167) In-Reply-To: <532E0435.6080407@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:57:34 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> <5328A03A.3000305@freebsd.org> <532DDB5A.8090205@freebsd.org> <532DF9E4.40902@cyberleo.net> <532E0435.6080407@freebsd.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn Cc: CyberLeo Kitsana , FreeBSD Mailing List , =?utf-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 01:06:45 -0000 > On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wro= te: >=20 >> On 03/22/14 14:00, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: >>> On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn >>> wrote: >>>> On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>>> At least testing branches would be appreciated. >>> Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago? >>>=20 >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2010-March/060296.html >> Something like this? >>=20 >> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/2014Q1/ >=20 > No, not like that. A continuously updated moving branch one step down in e= xperimentation. > -Nathan I believe it is indeed what you are looking for [in spirit and in theory at l= east], hence the branch description: "This is a stable branch which will be m= aintained for 3 months..." and various commit descriptions marked "MFH" i.e.= "merged from head" ranging from 3 months to 3 days ago. Now, whether or not= this branch lives up to it's intent is another story all together. That par= t, I couldn't say because... I, for one, admit to just now learning of this branch's existence. Then agai= n, I never went looking for such a thing since, despite maintaining the depl= oyment of 1300 ports on 130 servers [from a seat on a golf cart during the t= rips between the front and back nine], I so very seldom stumble upon a failu= re in ports HEAD that isn't fixed within mere moments or that I can't conven= iently back-burner and have solved for me over the course of a day by a quic= k holler to the helpful and friendly folk on freebsd-ports@, but I guess tha= t's just me. FWIW, I only use 9.2 in production and I do share your underlying sentiment t= hat 9.2 should still be the release marked "Production" and 10.0 should have= been marked "New Technology" at least until 10.1. I think I recall the issu= e that triggered this long and windy thread was clang related. At least Free= BSD has notoriously thorough and long-lived legacy support. FWIW, in my job I still use the old pkg_ tools, don't need portmaster, poudr= iere or any of that young punk noise, just the base tools with an occasional= dash of svn. I've never felt an uncomfortable stampede of masses forcing my= grumpy old self onto newer and better tech before I was good and ready for i= t, like happens to me while involved with many of the various types of Linix= deployments I maintain, though the fear of such a thing happening to FreeBS= D has always been real, what with the rapid pace of its development happenin= g these days along with some people's ever-present nagging to "keep up with t= he Linuxes" regarding this or that latest shiny red button. FWIW, and I believe it's worth a lot, on the two VM's I fiddle with 10.x on,= I've found all of the new tools to be relatively easy to learn, well engine= ered, well maintained and [for better or worse] rapidly evolving, only not q= uite as well tested as I might like, and on that last point I can concede th= at I understand the OP's pain. I, for one, would like to thank all of the devs at FreeBSD for creating and m= aintaining the smoothest, most flexible and overall best operating system I'= ve ever had the pleasure of working with. I am very much looking forward to d= eploying 10.1 on almost every one of the production systems I maintain and I= 'm confident that when 10.x is granted that .1 badge by release engineering t= hat I will confidently and smoothly be able to. I can't imagine where I'd be= in a rigid world of only the fractured Linux fiefdoms, oligarchies and hips= ter drum-circles. Probably dead under a bridge with a needle in my arm, a gu= n in my mouth, a noose around my neck and an empty bottle of pills laying be= side me.=