From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 19 21:01:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B859516A421 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC1D13C465 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrcoluk@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so631987ugh for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:01:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l7QMY3D9q1qqj/K64x66q1rrf4z2rFTqEKXIiPkkIzzMiW3UdJ74FqAobyPVECjfAuStTg3+JLU7rh+6M96IInj5p4BOqO95elzoLM42nIUc3R0lx9RnACmLCbZOvT0BroAqjr9tsQwosswUAeJvhFMbkdDyVp2ocYXHPhlY3qc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BKR8AGddy/Ti+q3TWz5GLFYxmhHNwbejxmobL/qqvJBwZCrGugjxkjcBmgf6eGIcd9+qeztBjGcQ95kQzZF/N2yX4xq34iCkGYOeRUlCvVBzgGHvZjR6a1f2XQNgOC6+K4Hx7lGi+AzkquDbFbyUowMuD6KX1pUrK1wbpaqGLVY= Received: by 10.67.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr2083393ugi.1179608486225; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.16 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3aaaa3a0705191401k136f4747hdb1d5aa16f34f257@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:01:26 +0100 From: Chris To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3aaaa3a0705170830g46487cc7occc8a51b82a9118b@mail.gmail.com> <20070517172415.06DEF45042@ptavv.es.net> <20070517183510.GB42562@nowhere> <20070517200615.GA19092@soaustin.net> Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, KAYVEN RIESE , Craig Boston Subject: Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:01:27 -0000 On 19/05/07, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - --On Saturday, May 19, 2007 01:22:40 -0700 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 May 2007, linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) wrote: > > > >> On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Craig Boston wrote: > >> > >> The alternative would have been to commit what we had and _then_ found > >> out all the bugs in the upgrade process (note: you won't be able to just > >> blindly use portupgrade -af; you will need to read the UPDATING file for > >> the proper procedure. This is the unusual case of being such a sweeping > >> change that the port management tools are not completely up to the task.) > > > > okay could this freeze an explanation for the fact that my x is totally > > hosed? i know any random joe can't necessarily answer that.. but assuming > > it is true.. > > Not sure how ... since the freeze started, I haven't seen any commits to the X > system go through, or anything else for that matter (sorry, except for one port > that I can't recall its name) ... I know in my case, I'm looking forward to the > freeze being lifted since there was a recent release of new versions of PHP ... > :) > > > how long is this freeze going to last then? > > Not 100% certain, but Kris just posted a note about the X stuff bbeing > committed, so I'm guessing RSN ... > > - ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQFGTxzN4QvfyHIvDvMRAkIqAKDAV3YQkNPIS8+XXtM13dpA7CQybgCbBhUK > rxDqsrCVzL9DFQ+lLpCrSRs= > =ur1s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Hi thanks for all the time spent on responses and it been civil. I have checked and I think my comments about the times of STABLE major releases is inaccurate and based on percieved memory rather then facts I apologise for that, I do hope tho ports will continue to work on 6.x a while after 7.x released. regarding network bugs in 6.x, generally its stable, the nfs problems were mainly fixed in 6.2 the issue comes under circumstances where the network load is higher then the typical situation ie. a DDOS attack. I would expect under a hevay attack for the server to go offline which is fine, but I wouldnt expect the server to deadlock and need a reboot as a result of a DDOS attack especially a small/medium attack, on 4.x and even 5.x to a limited extenct the machine could cope with a fairly high pps but on 6.x with same hardware it can handle much less, I have no idea why but thats what happens. I friend of mine runs FreeBSD routers in a large network and had to downgrade back to 4.x because of this. With the ports freeze I wonder in situations when a full freeze is needed it is better to do so on a seperate testing branch so it allows security commits etc. to carry on as normal and then remerge again after testing is complete. Or is this simply not possible to do? Sysinstaller I do agree it does the job but thats it, its not good enough for people not familiar with freebsd I feel and is a major reason for adoptivity to freebsd. Good news on the dynamic tcp stuff :) Thanks Chris