From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 12 03:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05708 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05666 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA17132; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:48:43 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA29253; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:48:40 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980812194840.M28142@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:48:40 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: solaris is free. References: <19980812014614.B16463@mooseriver.com> <19980812022936.A16972@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19980812022936.A16972@mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Wed, Aug 12, 1998 at 02:29:37AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (following up to -chat, where it belonged from the start) On Wednesday, 12 August 1998 at 2:29:37 -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 1998 at 11:06:25AM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: >>>> Note that this is only free in the sense that you can buy it >>>> for a low cost from Sun. >>>> >>>> You don't get source. >>>> >>>> You don't get the ability to give copies to other people. >>> >>> My guess is that Sun is beginning to feel the heat from FreeBSD and >>> Linux. Last time I looked very few people we running Solaris on X86. Mayby >>> they are starting to worry about all those older Sparc's running NetBSD. >> >> To be honest, x86 SOlaris has always been a bit a forgotten child in the >> Sun family. > > Given the speed of Solaris on x86 I'm not surprised. When I was contracting > at Sun earlier this year I went around installing FreeBSD on machines that > were running Solaris. Even hard core Sun people were surprised at how much > faster FreeBSD ran. I had lunch with a group of ISPs today, and two of them were telling me how they had more or less completed their migration from Linux to FreeBSD, mainly because of the stability of FreeBSD SCSI support. One thing they were really missing was kernel threads: they found that a Linux box maxed out at about 25 hits per second, and the same box would pass 90 hits per second because of kernel threading. They hadn't been able to max it out under FreeBSD, but there was no reason to believe it would perform as well as Solaris. Solaris isn't all bad. I'm getting the feeling that threads and MP support are going to make or break FreeBSD. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message