From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:03:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFDB1065732 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djm@mindrot.org) Received: from natsu.mindrot.org (natsu.mindrot.org [116.66.166.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8528FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djm@mindrot.org) Received: by natsu.mindrot.org (Postfix, from userid 506) id 87048C4AB0; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:37 +1100 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on natsu.mindrot.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from fuyu.mindrot.org (fuyu.mindrot.org [203.217.30.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fuyu.mindrot.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by natsu.mindrot.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1724BC4A91; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:30 +1100 (EST) Received: by fuyu.mindrot.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65F2BA4F81; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuyu.mindrot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E6A4F23; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:43:29 +1100 (EST) From: Damien Miller To: Mark Kirkwood In-Reply-To: <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: References: <20080716213115.C747F7BC45@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com> <33958.1216244510@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <494576C8.3020501@paradise.net.nz> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSO 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:46:37 +0000 Cc: Miod Vallat , rms@gnu.org, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, licensing@fsf.org, fedora-list@redhat.com, announce@fsfeurope.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Morton Harrow , claire.newman@canonical.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL version 4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:03:06 -0000 moving misc@openbsd.org to Bcc Please do not post discussions of GPL politics to OpenBSD mailing lists. You know we have different views, so cross-posting is pure trolling. -d On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > > > > I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > > > users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been > > > fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of > > > terms the GPLv3 provides. > > > > > > > You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world > > view, > > it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. > > > > > > I don't think it is that bad - the intent is for the software to be freely > available for *people* to use. It is actually about our freedom. > > regards > > Mark > >