From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 13 20:43:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845B816A400 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfvogel@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E7913C45B for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfvogel@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q50so1467305wrq for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Me5LNowYWEnsDtHXj5LAYTxianMG+W09Axx2XK1h7YQOku9VxpSYgkcls5+BiEJSacW2K9qL3I9qDXxDbXfktoG42l+vRoeW0/Uhy59ihe/yb8BenksRBJbJxKQK+1loCye6znhNpQykA39DAVicEKG5qS43rVVOQ3z6SHLxo+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gRVRrHjVDSLc6XuIruJMOg8iiHZHAydycnThqzmVl5qjzqUEybyZXxwglPN7dX0VdccLb2DdWbUjzANUzJ/6m4gVC2Amui2DEVgiSjdZE1uE4BwwZeGDhNd0AfxN7pt4pHdPPWgTQdKR5hDFf6z7PGsOcyBugWu8KFaTb22xvkg= Received: by 10.114.185.8 with SMTP id i8mr2623979waf.1173818623867; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.103.15 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a41acea0703131343y71c849a0u390256d39409072@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:43:43 -0700 From: "Jack Vogel" To: "Nikolas Britton" , "Daniel O'Connor" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20070313203343.GA66076@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070313203343.GA66076@icarus.home.lan> Cc: Subject: Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:43:45 -0000 On 3/13/07, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer > > documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD > > or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. > > > > Here's the email address of AMD's president: dirk.meyer@amd.com > > > > Give him your two cents. > > Boycotting their hardware due to lack-of public developer docs is > extreme but justified. Everyone has the right to do that if they > desire. > > But in my opinion, mailing the president of AMD is really not the way to > go about this. That methodology invites angry people sending him > flames, which does nothing but destroy the image of a mature, reliable > open-source community. > > Besides, chances are it's not Meyer who's making these decisions (re: > proprietary hardware / NDA-only documentation), but a few select > individuals at ATI who are fuelled off of paranoia (the most common > defence being fear nVidia/other competitors will "steal their > technology"). Really sounds like the decision of a legal dept. and not > a CEO. Right, flaming never helps, but then I don't think the intention was to have anyone flame, 'raising awareness' is a better goal :) AMD has people that work on Linux (I interviewed with them some years back), maybe using that route to get to the decision makers? Cheers, Jack