From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 18 17:34:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0E9106566B for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE32C8FC0A for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1F01C75E55 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so61101pxi.13 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.20.3 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BBA3264.5050702@gmail.com> <4BC88AD8.1000503@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 03:34:46 +1000 Received: by 10.140.82.25 with SMTP id f25mr3350813rvb.248.1271612086904; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Tony Theodore To: KAYVEN RIESE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: deeptech71@gmail.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD anti-competitive activities X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:34:50 -0000 On 19 April 2010 02:38, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Tony Theodore wrote: > >> On 17 April 2010 02:05, =C2=A0 wrote: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3Dmisc/145735 >>> Something sure stinks here... >> >> I find most installers these days are overly opinionated, gparted (and >> sometimes OSX Disk Utility) are the safest bets - or just give away >> multi-booting and simply run virtual machines. > > I'm remembering now Vista being a culprit last time I was messing with > this.. it kept switching how it is required to do dual boot. =C2=A0My tak= e right > now on "the conspiracy" is that all OS developers, FreeBSD and Microsoft > have increasingly had a sense that there are resources that they need to > dominate, and that this is some sort of design decision, not really havin= g > in mind the whole dual boot concept. I don't think it's a conspiracy, just a realisation that with limited resources it's impossible to play nicely with the plethora of partitioning schemes - in a way that's seamless to the majority of users who simply install a single OS. It's actually a very sane design decision (if it's that at all). I'd rather FreeBSD developers spent their time on the OS, not on booting scenarios. > All this for me has fallen by the wayside, because I have long since deci= ded > that each OS warrants its very own dedicated hard drive instead of > negotiating with these MBR headaches. =C2=A0Make sure you get a nice stat= ic > grounding bracelet. I don't have that many drives :). These days with virtual machines and bootable external drives, it's very rare that I need to multi-boot. I tend to go for extra RAM and faster drives rather than more drives - depends on your use case of course. If I do need to set such things up, dedicated partitioners are much easier than OS installers. Tony