From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 19: 1:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AC937B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DEEF43E65 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 21912 invoked by uid 417); 10 Sep 2002 02:01:32 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 02:01:32 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.25.11]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:01:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:01:17 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020909220117.5343f09b.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020906124405.V94577-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> References: <20020905202034.77ef17b3.yid@softhome.net> <20020906124405.V94577-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > I think you are operating on a Thomistic notion of "faith". Faith > > > does not take over where reason leaves off. Faith is the > > > foundation of reason. Reasoning would not even be possible > > > without faith. I argue that only *Christian* faith can account > > > for reason, but here I suppose we disagree. > > > > Until you prove that through your faith you can reason better than > > the rest of us, a thesis very much in doubt, this statement is > > unsupportable. > > Well, please go back and read some of my posts to Terry and Dave. ROFL! > For example, the naturalist cannot account for human reason, since > according to a naturalist, everything that happens in the human brain > is just electro-chemical responses in the brain which have nothing to > do with "truth", "error", "right reason", etc. If a person is a A computer programmer cannot account for computer programms, because they are composed of moving electrons that have nothing to do with: printf ("Hello world.\n"); > naturalist, he has no reason to be a naturalist. He must also say > that other people's beliefs in God are also only the result of > electro-chemical responses in the brain. He could never know whether > or not he was right, since every attempt to reason his way to the > truth is just more electro-chemical responses in the brain, and hence, > the results of *these* reactions are also suspect. If this is an example of your "superior xtian reason", I'll have none of it. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message