From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 28 08:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04288 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic11.pm01.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04273 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id IAA06452; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980628083505.A6268@mooseriver.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:35:05 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Eivind Eklund , Wes Peters , jcwells@u.washington.edu Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does it's true? Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: <199806272108.PAA20565@softweyr.com> <19980628170008.43362@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980628170008.43362@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 05:00:08PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 05:00:08PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 03:08:31PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > We also reserve the right to kill anyone who attempts to bring down > > the lawful government of the United States, either from within or > > from outside threat. This is not considered "murder" here, nor in > > any other country I know of -- yours included, Eivind. I have always been fascinated by this attitude. 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, et al. overthrew the "lawful government" of these British colonies. Because they won, they are called "patriots" and "Founding Fathers". Had they lost, they would have been executed for treason, read state sanctioned murder, and called traitors. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - Declaration of Independence Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message